brassplyer
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Anyone know what mic this is?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Steenamaroo
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brassplyer
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I see it's not crazy expensive, sounds really nice on her.
rob aylestone
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It does, if, and it is a big if - that is a real recording? I work with lots of musical theatre performers, and am quite familiar with that piece and I do not know any who could deliver that song without their breathing being really quite extreme in the loud section. No big intakes of breath, no chest expansion visible and little change in her lip movements from ppp to fff! She could of course just be exceptional, but their debut performance is July 19th - so this is pre-first live event? I'm not doing a wings of pegasus here, but I am hearing 'managed' sound here. We can see a mic and a singer. They are in an untreated boxy hard surfaced room, at a sensible distance from mouth to mic, yet we don't hear the nasty space? Hmmmmmmmmmmm
Track Rat
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Recently picked of the Dachman version. Nice mic.
rob aylestone
Moderator
Here is the isolated mic - does that sound like the room we can see? Magic mic? She has a rather wobbly voice but some notes are realistically flat but others, like the high one are extremely precise. Also watch for the plosives, especially T sounds the mic captures, they don't all match the lips, teeth and tongue.
Papanate
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I don’t think The Video is her live - I think it’s a recording that’s been heavily edited to elimate Ticks. Pops, Breaths etc…I don’t know if she sang it live and the producer (or she did) edited it or what.
brassplyer
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My original objective was to identify the mic but....
It's a real recording, that doesn't mean it hasn't gotten some treatment, it also doesn't mean it was all the same take. Chest expansion is visible and breath sounds are quite audible. Watch it again. The tongue, lips, chest/breath is too much of an exact match for this to be a substitute video. Serious question - how does your hearing test out?
Obviously many of their videos are lip sync'd, they're in settings where you're not going to achieve a studio sound. For the above video what would be the point of setting her up like that with a mic instead of putting her in some photogenic setting?
I've concluded that a "treated" room is not at all imperative to get a decent sounding vocal. Here are some examples of vocals and instrumentals recorded in non-treated rooms.
This young lady is not only in an untreated room she's using a variety of garbage mics - we're talking Walmart computer/karaoke mics, not a large diameter condenser mic among them. I've tweaked the performances some with EQ, reverb, multiband compression, in some cases it was remixed with a fresh copy of the backing track, having removed the original with phase inversion. As far as room treatment you might say "oh yeah, I can tell", if you hadn't known beforehand and the penalty for being wrong was a couple of hard slaps upside the head or it costing you ten thousand dollars/pounds I don't think you'd be confident.
A friend of hers, same deal. I tweaked her vocal and remixed it with the backing track using the same phase inversion trick. She's using one of the same mics her friend above was using at a better distance and doesn't get the distortion but it's not at all an exotic mic.
Here neither the trumpet or the vocal were recorded in a treated room.
None of this was recorded in a treated room.
I'm not completely hip to British colloquialisms, if by "wobbly" you mean anything other than "fantastic" you're patently, objectively wrong. She's a superbly talented vocalist as a review of the wider body of work they have up will demonstrate.
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rob aylestone
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Wobbly is a perhaps British description of a singer with excessive vibrato, that is frequently unable to be controlled, unless the person has been trained properly to master it. As I mentioned, I have for many years now worked with skilled and trained singers and that particular piece I first experienced at the Palace Theatre in London. Within a short time, auditions would feature this song as a standard. I have lost count of the number of times I have heard it performed live and unamplified. I have also spent some time managing a singer that as part of the girl band she was (and still is) in, mimed in virtually all her live performances - despite having a wonderful voice. However, you cannot perform strenuous dance performances and sing at the same time. She taught me how to mimic the body processes that occur naturally when singing, and is an expert. Standing next to her she could mime and fool me!
I'm sure we are hearing her, but my deep suspicion is it's just a promo for their forthcoming shows and is a taster. Nothing against her and the video, after all, it's rather well done - but we are a recording forum and often we are doing exactly what has been done here ourselves. It's a very good piece of work. However - I firmly believe it should not be taken at face value. The sound of her isolated voice, despite the reverb, does not sound like a bedroom. Of course, singing very close into a mic reduces room effects, but that mic is not at a distance.
I'm sure we are hearing her, but my deep suspicion is it's just a promo for their forthcoming shows and is a taster. Nothing against her and the video, after all, it's rather well done - but we are a recording forum and often we are doing exactly what has been done here ourselves. It's a very good piece of work. However - I firmly believe it should not be taken at face value. The sound of her isolated voice, despite the reverb, does not sound like a bedroom. Of course, singing very close into a mic reduces room effects, but that mic is not at a distance.
brassplyer
Well-known member
Another thing is we don't know if there's a baffle behind the mic off camera. If you don't hear a controlled vibrato all I can say is, um, okay.
rob aylestone
Moderator
No point continuing we do not know anything. I cannot convince you and that’s fine. If I was sitting in the audition room and that’s something I hate, my spider senses would be tingling. I will leave you to it! It’s the greystones kids band again.
brassplyer
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I've got an inquiry in to the group - I'll report back if they respond.