can anyone help? cheap, compatible cubase hardware?

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my goal is to be able to program off timed signatures such as polyrythms, and then add the guitar tracks i play later. I know that the band Meshuggah used the drumkit from hell program with line 6 pod pro-xts to record the catch 33 album, I am looking to be able to do what they have done.



i have a very limited budget as i am transferring to an out of state college that i have to pay my tuition to. I want to know what the cheapest keyboard that can be used as a midi controller with cubase is, as well as what kind of sound card unit i will need. i will only need to hook up a few microphones.


p.s. how do i get sound out of cubase when the only sound card i have is the one on the motherboard (it supporsts 7.1 sound)? the drumkit from hell 2 made no sound for me until i messed with the latency set up, i don't even know what that means, and i also was wondering if i need to configure something in cubase sx3 to be able to hear anything i use on my motherboard's soundcard. I may sound like a total idiot to this, and thats becasue i am. i understand that at somepoint i will need better gear, but i am wondering what is the best for the buck and about how much more loot do i need for the beginner's course?


i plan on being able to record well enough to hand the cd i will record to a drummer and have him go into the studio with me for live drums, so it doesn't have to sound amazing.
 
I'd get a refurb midi key controller (check musiciansfriend, M-audio Refurb) and a M-Audio Firewire Solo. You'll be looking at about $300 total.

Probably need to get some headphones too..another $50-100.

Don't know anything about meshuggah though.

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sixways said:
I'd get a refurb midi key controller (check musiciansfriend, M-audio Refurb) and a M-Audio Firewire Solo. You'll be looking at about $300 total.

Probably need to get some headphones too..another $50-100.

Don't know anything about meshuggah though.

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Dont forget the $600 for Cubase, unless you get an edition bundled with the hardware,.
 
I'm not really clear on your question. Most soundcards will be compatible with cubase (go to the devices menu under VST inputs and select your soundcard). If you only need a couple of inputs, the M-Audio Fast Track Pro and Tascam US-122 would be decent choices. If you need more simultaneous inputs, then I might look into the Presonus Firepod or the M-Audio Delta 1010 PCI card. The presonus and tascam units come bundled with Cubase LE.
 
nashunbooking said:
i have a very limited budget as i am transferring to an out of state college that i have to pay my tuition to.
I hope one of the requisites you are taking at that out-of-state college is English. Hint: Never end a sentence with a preposition. :D
 
thanks for the english tip

I will actually be attending the University of Texas on a partial scholarship. The school costs 8,400 a year for out of state tuition. Thank you for the english tip. I am an english major and have completed 2 years at a junior college with a 3.86 GPA. While I am an English Major, there are still many things I need to sharpen my skills on. I do not claim to know everything, and since I do not have anything besides an AA, I obviously have a lot more to learn.


I am so used to microsoft word that it has weakened my writing ability. That and the fact that I did not start college until I was 25. When you take eight years off from school to go on tour, you tend to be a bit limited on when and where you can write.


I type how I talk, but when I write articles and essays for publishing, they are close to perfect. I am guessing you are an angry, disgruntled person who feels like you should have had more credentials than what you have recieved. I am laughing at you for trying to break hard with me on here when I was asking a question about recording gear. I wish that you had the chance to meet me in person. You could probably benefit from meeting someone who has probably been through 10 times more shit than you have. I used to hate on other people for no reason as well. I was failing classes in high school because I did not take the time with them. I ended up getting into a situation and went to jail. I got off with a soft sentence because I had no previous record. I started with music, my band got signed and I continued to be a nuckle head. Everything changed for me the second time I got shot at, which happened to also be the first time I got stabbed with an ice pick. Then I had a revelation. The week prior I had bit a chunk out of a guys throat at one of my shows (I thought I caught his cheek), the guy had hit my drummer's girlfriend in the face. I knew I went to far and I said to the lord, "if you are out there show me something, let me know I am following the wrong path." A week later I was stabbed, shot at, hit with a few bottles, and when I looke down, I had been bitten on my wrist by a pair of fronts. That was enough symbolism for me. The bite is what did it. Two weeks later i sold my car and started over in San Diego, CA. I finally was able to enroll into college with government aid my second year of being here. I got to live my dream of playing college football beginning at age 25. I was converted from a fullback to a D-Tackle and red-shirted, the following offseason I had a meeting with head coach David Jordan of Grossmont College. He convinced me to leave Southwestern after we got our ass kicked 76-34 by them. We were pre-season ranked #1 in the nation for junior college football teams and lost in the playoffs. I sadly fractured my hip about a month before the season started, and though I had made the team, when I came back, I had lost some speed. I gave up football This year, which would have been my final JC season, we won the National Title (Grossmont Griffins if you feel like looking it up).


After I realized my football career was prematurely ended, I started my own company. I am now a booking agent and have worked with some rather large bands in the scene I deal with. As with anything you got to earn your keep, and larger agents of course took bands such as "Through the Eyes of the Dead" from my roster. At the end of the month I will be in Las Vegas with Disturbed and Bloodsimple. I can tell you, changing your views on things will make life easier for you. I may have typed too much here, but I grow tired of people running their mouth. I feel you were being disrespectful, and in the places I have come from and been, you can get yourself hurt with that shit. Take it from someone who has been there and made mistakes.


If I have offended you, in some way by typing below your standards, then I am sorry. I can tell you this much, some of my poetry is being published nationally by Phi-Theta-Kappa's Honor Society in their book of essays and articles.



some examples of quick writing by me, not that it is great, but it is above average:


"I see a crutch underneath the arms of many people that showed promise in their youth. I see and open bottle, and an empty mind that was once filled by the dreams of becoming something better. Substance has replaced the salvation of success in the minds of many of my bretherin. I have seen them come and go, and fall to a path of reliance, weakness, and fear. A massive lie that is emplanted into the mind through news, the media, and our overall surroundings."

what this means:
A government plan was invented to destroy the lives, culture, and lifestyles of Indians when this country was born. It was used against imigrants and minorities. In modern times it has become a plague to all societies that are encompased by the capitalist regime known as the United States. (yes I support socialism, not communism).


some work being published:
“Holy Warrior”
How many times have I killed in my dreams
A world of divide and conquer separated by screams
I’ve stood atop the mounds of broken bodies and torn flesh
Looking inside for peace, yet this soul won’t mesh
Their sounds of sickened torture have propelled my conquest
By crushing their bones to powder, I shall pass his test
Though it may be deemed homicidal in the minds of many
These demons of men have caused sorrows a’ plenty
Freedom of choice, ambition and greed
The sources to nurture the hollow shells they feed
I’ve walked through shadows and slept in darkness
I’ve felt Mephisto’s tug on the soul he hopes to harness
I feel the stillness of each morning as I awaken to the new day
One where the battle continues to hold his temptations at bay
The path of righteousness shall be forever for me and mine
As I cast aside these demons like Jesus to the swine
Again I shall dream, and again I shall kill
Those born into darkness and pile their bodies into hills
Forever faithful, forever in your name
I have committed the ultimate sin
By destroying two towers with planes


also some spoken word as it is coined by my professor:it is better spoken that written because you ahve to be able to roll your tongue to do it. In case you are wondering, no I am not a fan of hip-hop, and prefer anything that is brutal or complex musically, like my guitar playing.

“Segregation” by David Dickens


Race kills race here as we close our eyes
Deaf to the fact that we’re hearing these Earth cries
Don’t you realize that this affects our lives
Destroying our seeds to give to the man’s lies
Rise up and take a stand Erase, the plan implanted by the devil’s hand
And forgive their beliefs
For I’ve lived through the grief long enough to see what you can achieve
When we pull together and believe
We’re trapped through this sin
This hate will not win
We’ve lived this so long we’re asking where it begins
For once in our lives We must prevail
And push back this world of lies that’s destined to fail








touche! Muthafunkin' Raider Dave at your services!
 
can the tascam us-122

be used with the full version of cubase that is already installed on my computer, or do i need to uninstall in, then put LE and then pay for another upgrade...yeah thats a dumb newbie question, I am sorry.


i actually don't even know what the difference between the full version and the LE is.
 
nashunbooking said:
be used with the full version of cubase that is already installed on my computer, or do i need to uninstall in, then put LE and then pay for another upgrade...yeah thats a dumb newbie question, I am sorry.


i actually don't even know what the difference between the full version and the LE is.

Yes, as I said above Cubase will recognize just about any soundcard hardware, the US-122 being among them. What I don't understand is how you can afford SX3 on such a "tight budget?"
 
If I were you, I'd just grab a simple interface bundled with Cubase LE to begin with. There are tons of cheap sound cards/interfaces and midi controllers to check out. Research, and you will find what you need. SX is'nt gonna make your recordings sound any better than LE. SX has features for people that have a need for those features. Why get a big, expensive software program when you have'nt tried the basic version first? LE might fill your needs and comes free with alot of different sound cards/interfaces.

As far as setting up your sound card in Cubase, it's in the manual. The manual is your friend. You don't have to read it all at once. It's a reference to be used for accomplishing what you want to be able to do at the moment. Cubase has a lot of features and almost every one of them is explained in the manual. Learn as you go. The more you use the manual, the easier it gets to figure out how to do things. Setting up your sound card in Cubase is simple and straight forward. Try it on your own and then if you need help, ask questions.

I learned to use Cubase by using only the manual and by posting the occasional question on this BBS. It takes time and thought. You'll be much better off learning things on your own rather than having them spoon fed to you.

A couple of tips though:

1. Write your own manual as you go. Just keep a text file of directions on how to do things in Cubase as you learn. When you need those specific directions again, just look at your text file or go to Edit, Find, after opening the text file in notepad. It'll save you alot of time.

2. Learn how "real" audio hardware works. If you don't know how a hardware mixer works then you're not going to know how the mixer works in Cubase. Same goes with effects, synths, etc.

Ok, that's enough wind for now..........
 
sx3 on a tight budget

a friend of mine sold it to...he makes a ton of money and is basically rich by his own hand. he bought the stuff and basically sold it to me for $200 about 4 months ago. I really have no idea how to use it and neither did he.
 
wow that last messege wasn't too clear.

the guy didn't really care about the loss because he felt he owed me for helping his band out a bunch of times. he got fed up with it and told me he would never use it again. then again my boy makes enough money with his buisness that he can afford to waste it on someone else overcharging him to record.
 
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