Calling all SoundFont Lover...

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James Argo

Fancy Rock N' Roll
Soundfont lover... Alotof people here need to know what you guys use for your favorite general sounds. Eg. Piano ? Bass ? String ? etc...
And what about GENERAL Drums set sounds.
I like to hear some like :

Gold Drums for Kick, Toms.
Blue Jay Small ambient for Cymbals,
Ruckus kit for Snare,
etc...

I believe a lot of people need your oppinion here, so plz reply... :cool:
 
-I got most of mine off The Sound Site. They have names, but I don't remember them right off. I'm more a fan of live/real sounding stuff rather than synths, so most of what I got is real samples. Generally the bigger ones sound better and I have cable internet, so I just pretty much just started with the biggest ones first.
-The normal general bank I start out working with is the 25.5 meg GeneralUser GM 1.1 bank. I've got a few others that are larger but I rarely use them because I usually go looking for a soundfont of a particular instrument, rather than try a GM bank.
-Drums I have no real preference either, except for real-sampled stuff rather than synthesized. I've got about 40 different sets. For some reason, the kicks usually have no snap....? I dunno if this is they way they recorded, the equipment they used or what.
-I find I get a better sound if I separate all the different sounds into different tracks, mix to audio, and then para-EQ each at its best. Even if one drum set is used, each different cymbal, each different drum, each different whatever- gets its own track with para-EQ, and then are all mixed down again.
It takes time, but produces the best results.
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-If you're shopping, I'd stress again that you don't know how good MIDI on a Creative card sounds untill you hear good (big) soundfonts on it.
The default install soundfont banks are small and relatively poor-quality.
The regular install of my SBLive included a 2-meg, a 4-meg default and an 8-meg. The 2-meg sounds lousy, the 8-meg sounds noticeably better than the 4, and a 25 or 50 meg is way better than the 8---plus there's indivudual instruments also, if you don't want to load a whole bank. There are piano fonts bigger than 50 megs, just for one instrument.
 
Hey Doug, I read about a hack or something for >8MB soundfonts on Live cards.... can you clue us in about that?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Sonic Implants

I use sonic implants sound fonts for:

Drums:

Blue Jay Small Ambient I
Blue Jay Smal Ambient II
Blue Jay Loose
Session Drums I and II
Brush Sessions

Bass:

Alembic Finder Bass
Fender Bass
Spector Slap
Hofner Beatle Bass
Hard Pick Rock Bass

I'll post some mp3s when I have finish converting some samples.
 
Yea, I got that:
As it is, the SBLive driver will only allow you to use up to 128 megs of RAM for soundfonts. Any amount above that it refuses to load. When soundfonts are loaded they store them in RAM, not on the HD.

This is taken from the readme file included with the 121-meg Fluid Release 2 GM soundfont, available on the Sound Site:
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Registry Hack:
Damnit I've gotten so many freakin emails about this one. Here it is.
Goto Run/Type Regedit/Goto Hkey Local Machine/Goto Software/Goto Creati
ve Tech/Goto Devcon/Goto xxxx (x is the numerical value whatever it may
be) See MAXPATCHMEMORY?? Ahhhh yes.
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MAXPATCHMEMORY being the RAM limit, in bytes. The default value is 133693440.
.....
On my PC, every time I restart the MIDI device or the PC, this registry value gets re-set back to 128 megs. So I have to start Cakewalk, enter the registry number I want, and then load the soundfonts. (I gots Win98SE, I dunno if it does the same for other OS's).......
-The >8 megs isn't the limit, at least with SBLives. They only install with a 2, 4 and 8-meg bank; you just have to download bigger ones off the web.
 
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I guess a 128MB limit isn't so limiting...any changing a little registry value on startup isn't so bad...in fact that could easily be done via a batch script during logon!

Slackmaster 2000
 
Thank's alot everybody, specially Doug, my goal here is to share people's oppinion in their point of view about the file they use. It can help alot here, from wasting time downloading those free -promising tittled- soundfont file, unpack, patch it, and found it's not the sound they were looking for. My case, I download some file named similiar to "Very realistic rock drums.sf2" for 48MB (that's it, cool name, and very promising if we look on the size)... (Damn, I forget where it came from... ). Took hours to downloaded it. Finish, Patch it over my SB Live, and found only the kick sounds real, while the hihat, cymbals, and other "Hi Freq" perc things sound terrible... really bad enough... pretty toys. :(
So, if I could gain what you guys use for STANDARD set and write down which works fine on what here, it could save our valuable time to look over those thousands SF.
Here's the post I like to see...

...I used Blablabla1.sf2, sounds good on snare, try this my friends. And for cymbals, I use Blablabla2.sf2, realy good, but the kick sounds bad, here's the link. Try Blablabla3.sf2 on kick, but never on tom, better use Blablabla4.sf2 (free download from www.blablabla.com) for that. IMHO, Blablabla5.sf2 sounds good for those seeks for rock sound...

Hey, it's just for example. Ignore the Blablabla.... :D
I think I got myself clear here... :cool: Again, Thank's everyone...
:):):)
 
I got my Live installed now. How do I load and unload the soundfont banks?
 
...Finish, Patch it over my SB Live, and found only the kick sounds real, while the hihat, cymbals, and other "Hi Freq" perc things sound terrible... really bad enough...
-Soundfonts don't sound that great when just run straight. None of mine do.
Try this:
1. Copy the first soundfont track to a second track.
2. Mute the first track.
3. In track #2, remove all but one single instrument (MIDI key, that is). Just leave one drum, or one cymbal--delete everything else. To clarify: for instance, leave the kick drum, and erase everything else in track #2.
4. Mix track #2 down to audio in track #3.
5. Put para-EQ on track #3 and adjust to taste. (You can now delete track #2; you've still got all of the same/original MIDI notes in track #1)
6. Now go through the rest of the percussion, and do the same for each different sound: each different drum and cymbal should be mixed down into its own audio track, and get its own parametric-EQ adjusted to taste.
7. Now mix down all the para-EQ'd separate percussion audio tracks to a single stereo track. Compare this to track #1, which is the original straight soundfont--you should hear a big improvement particularly from soundfonts that use real samples.
I don't know why this works but it does, and I ain't complainin'.
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To load or unload soundfont banks:
---In Cakewalk, the Cakewalk help files tell how to do it. Note that a soundfont "counts" as a MIDI instrument, so you can only use 16 different soundfonts maximum at a time (each has to be on its own channel). ~~~ CHS2002 has a bug regarding soundfonts; you select them by the "bank" drop-down box for each MIDI track in the normal view, but you should always just type the number of the bank in the box. If you hit the drop-down arrow so you can see the names, the names often don't display properly (they might, might not) and the bank may not load. The soundfont settings are saved with the project and are supposed to re-load automatically, but may not. Some soundfonts in particular cause problems with this, the rest of the time, I don't know what causes it-? For me, often just opening the soundfont-attach dialog box sets things right but sometimes I resort to re-attaching the soundfont banks.
---Outside of Cakewalk, start the AudioHQ program. There's a virtual piano, and one named Soundfonts, start them both....The Creative soundfont program allows you to load a soundfont as a bank or as an instrument. Soundfonts should be loaded as banks, because if you load it as an instrument, you can only use the first instrument in the bank--there's no way to use the other instruments. The Creative AudioHQ program is nice because it actually accurately displays the instruments in a bank by name. Cakewalk doesn't seem to be able to do that, it just shows numbers 0-127 and doesn't say if any number is supposed to be an instrument or not. Check all 128 instruments: some drum kits are placed in instrument #10, and some people like to be smarty-pants and place instruments way up in the high numbers, instead of starting at zero.
 
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Yippeeeee... Thank's alot DougC... You're the man... :D Helps me alot. I also checked www.thesoundsite.net and find many usefull sf2 files, tools & utillity... To load & unload the SF bank, you can use AudioHQ for simple, but I found SoundFont Express Loader (...also free downloadable from thesoundsite...) is alot better worth to use. Now I've got another question. Everytime I load bank's & files, then go to SONAR 2 XL, close the SONAR, all bank's and files attached dissapear... blank. So everytime I close SONAR, I had to re-map the bank's / files all over again... any clue to avoid this ? Second question... Anyone know how to translate bank/instrument's name from sf2 files into Cakewalk's Instrument deffinition files (ins)? The one I've got from thesoundsite doesn't work. It's an old utillity running on DOS anyway... any clue ? Thank's...
 
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I have Home Studio 2002, so I don't know anything about Sonar...
Q.1-Mine will re-attach soundfont banks upon restarting, but I can't get it to re-set the default soundfont directory (the directory it starts out in when I want to attach a soundfont). I have tried the method people posted on the newsgroup, and it didn't work, HS always goes to the same old default directory.
Q.2-I dunno anything about instrument definition files, is this a Sonar thing? -Unless you're speaking abut HomeStudio/Sonar's inability to display instrument names in soundfonts. I can't get Home Studio to do that either, I just use the AudioHQ and Virtual Keyboard to hear what the instruments sound like, and jot down the instrument numbers+descriptions I want to use on Notepad.
 
That's right... inability to display instrument name. Usualy I got by importing .ins file in Options-->Instruments --> Define -->Import (SONAR). Is there any special programs/utillity to pull .ins outta .sf2 files ?
 
sonar tremelo and dead link soundsite

Hey you all convinced me to try a little more playing with soundfonts. So I did and I like the result. :) But there are many obstacles here. :( in sonar 2 I improved my midi sound using the soundsite album bank which is over 60 meg! The problem is that this puppy sucks up so much memory that my audio stuff wont play without sounding like its got mucho tremelo turned up. I went crazy trying to find what I misconfigured while learning the soundfont thing and finally removed all the large memory hog fonts and went back to the 4mb creative one. Heres a question . If I run multiple tracks with midi and soundfont outputs does that increase ram memory consumption? Does using soundfonts like this overload the creative audigy card abilities as well? I also was looking for douglas drums to try and it seems the soundsite link is down. Hey where the best tutor to learn this stuff, I spent well over 5 hours already and am not even sure whats going on . let alone that Im screwing up lots of other things up along the way.
I ordered more memory to bring me to 1 gig total . I figured it couldnt hurt. Im only running 256meg right now. This may be a venture worth it while! If I can improve my keyboard and drum sounds.
 
--Soundfonts are stored in system RAM, that's why there (shouldn't!) be any lag.
--I can run 150 megs of soundfonts on 8-10 tracks on a Soundblaster Live 5.1/Win98/256DDR ram PC with no problems.
--I don't know just from the info you gave what the problem might be, what's your OS/soundcard? You can try just mixing down MIDI/soundfont tracks to audio one track at a time, instead of all at once.
--At the moment, the Sound Site is down for me too. If you're having problems understanding generally how to run a project, go through the help tutorials.
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DougC said:
I'm more a fan of live/real sounding stuff rather than synths, so most of what I got is real samples.
Not being too well versed in Soundfonts, is there a way to tell which are real samples?
 
dougC computer environment audio/midi

Hi doug or anyone else with a handle on this stuff, Im running a 1.6 gig p4, ata100 hard disk 5400 ,with 512 meg ram, not 256 as I said in previous post. Im running xp pro sonar 2 xl. creative soundblaster audigy with a live bay for midi and audio in/outs. I did load multiple banks in options soundfonts, the big 63 meg ones thinking that the numbers where for each in sonar.Is this bad?
The audio improved some as I increased latency .
2 buffers, 40 msec,
24 bit, 44100 hz,
i/o buffer 64k,
stream 16 bit data as 3 bits.
under option instrument I have the sb audigy synth b b800 set so soundfont is selected on all 16 settings settings.The sb audigy synth a has various settings. I could not get acceptable audio while running the soundfonts even at max latency. The midi out was great,better than I ever heard midi. it was just the audio tracks which distorted!

I dont know, maybe there is a place where you can allocate how much memory the program uses and for what. I havent found it yet.
There are no background programs running.

any help is greatly appreciated as always
 
Not being too well versed in Soundfonts, is there a way to tell which are real samples?
-Usually the larger ones are real samples, the name mentions "real" or "realistic" and often the synth ones are named after the device that they are sampled from.
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...I dont know, maybe there is a place where you can allocate how much memory the program uses and for what. I havent found it yet...
-There should be a program named AudioHQ in the Creative programs folder. AudioHQ has one device controls sub-program with a slider that lets you manually select the amount of RAM you want to use for soundfonts.
.......
I don't have WinXP so I don't know that much about getting it to work correctly. The two XP machines I test-installed a SBLive in completely refused to install the regular retail-CD software, and I didn't have the opportunity to try the Compaq drivers on either of them. I have seen people say that the big Compaq driver includes it, and that it functions as normal...?
 
Midi problem xp audigy sonar2 audio

Does anyone have any answers for my problem as stated in the previous post. Audio craps out when large midi soundfonts used see specifics above.
 
almost forgot

Oh yeah; I did use the audio hq to load the larger files and I think I went to sizes like 100 through 160 meg memory use. But is there a memory setting in sonar itself which may be screwing up the audio??
 
SoundFonts, Audio & Memory

Wfaroni,

Try this link:

http://www.vsampler.com/faq/

Have a look at Performance & Requirements

VSampler can stream samples from the hard drive. The whole of the FAQs are worth reading even if you are not a user of Virtual Sampler (I'm sure you've gathered by now that I am a VS user) :)

The system you are running should ensure glitch-free recording.

--
BluesMeister
 
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