Reggaesoldier
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I wanna know too!!!!alanhyatt said:
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sdelsolray
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visa said:
The question in the poll is:
"Which of the two do you prefer for a clean and authentic acoustic guitar sound?"
The question contains a false premise. Neither mic produces an "authentic" acoustic guitar sound. If you want authentic in a SD condenser, the cheap mics don't cut it. They just don't. The only mics I've found that even come close to authentic are DPA, Schoeps, Microtech Gefell and Earthworks. There are others, no doubt, but the the 603s and C4s aren't among them.
Just a subjective opinion.
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DJL
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Well, the JM27 and MXL603S are NOT the same (see http://www.homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1115119#post1115119) so the above JM27/MXL603S replacement/statement is incorrect... and therefore the JM27spam can not be used instead of the MXL603S for the comparing of a "MXL603S" with the C4.alanhyatt said:
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
DJL said:
Prepare for battle folks...
If you wish to start with you're old antics again, let me put it this way. The JM27 and MXL "are" the same. Now, what do I mean by that...The 603, ADK SC1, JM27, TFPro TF27, SE2, and the Cascade mic are all of the same class, kind and type of microphone. All of them have come out of the Fielo factory at one time or another. Marshall and SE both swayed some Fielo engineers and assemblers away from Feilo. Then, they have changed the look a bit, but they are all the same type...small diaphragm mics, and all about the same price range, and are only good for certian applications.
When I make a general comment like I did, that is what it is. It is not Spam, and I resent your JM27spam comment. If you want to know facts before you spew...ASK! If you want to start it up again, keep up the snide remarks.
Your comment that the JM27 and MXL 603 can not be used to compare against each other is wrong. You yourself have compared the C1 and V67 for years, and they are different designs. In fact, you have been very vocal about that comparison, so you can say the same for the 603/JM27. So you know, the C1 is transistorized output, the V67 is transformer...The exact opposite of the JM27 and 603 design.
All those mics we used were of a similar price, and were used for the same type of application. Some color, some don't, but they are of the same type. In addition, I said nothing bad about any of the mics. I was complementary about all the mics when stating our opinion.
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sdelsolray
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alanhyatt said:
About two months ago I compared a pair of C4s (card caps) with a pair of Schoeps CMC6/MK4 on fingerstyle acoustic guitar. They weren't very close at all. Using the same preamp (Pendulum MDP-1A) revealed stark differences. While pleasing overall, the C4s were scooped, artificial in the upper mids and somewhat strident in the highs. The detail was lacking, particularly in the bass. While they EQed well, I couldn't clean them up well, resulting in a rather inaccurate recording of the guitar. On the other hand, the Schoeps were, well they sounded like Schoeps - accurate, fully detailed, sensual and very musical.
I tried the mics in another pre, a John Hardy M-2. Same deal.
ausrock
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Well how about some unenhanced soundclips.................that would be rather useful.
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Harvey Gerst
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Ty Ford loaned me his Schoeps CMC6/MK41 combo, and it's one of the best acoustic guitar mics I've ever heard. I loaned him my T.H.E. small condenser mic and he agreed that it was very close to the Schoeps sound.
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sdelsolray
Active member
Harvey Gerst said:
Which T.H.E. mic did you lend to Ty? Was is the modular product? If so, which cap? I haven't had the opportunity to check out the T.H.E. products. I keep hearing good things about them. The modular series look like a decent value.
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Harvey Gerst
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It was the T.H.E. KA-04 body with the KR-2C cardioid capsule.
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DJL
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Save the long winded bullshit song and dance for someone else... the JM27 and MXL603 are NOT the same mic and you know it, but you can't resist plugging your JM27spam.alanhyatt said:Prepare for battle folks...
If you wish to start with you're old antics again, let me put it this way. The JM27 and MXL "are" the same. Now, what do I mean by that...The 603, ADK SC1, JM27, TFPro TF27, SE2, and the Cascade mic are all of the same class, kind and type of microphone. All of them have come out of the Fielo factory at one time or another. Marshall and SE both swayed some Fielo engineers and assemblers away from Feilo. Then, they have changed the look a bit, but they are all the same type...small diaphragm mics, and all about the same price range, and are only good for certian applications.
When I make a general comment like I did, that is what it is. It is not Spam, and I resent your JM27spam comment. If you want to know facts before you spew...ASK! If you want to start it up again, keep up the snide remarks.
Your comment that the JM27 and MXL 603 can not be used to compare against each other is wrong. You yourself have compared the C1 and V67 for years, and they are different designs. In fact, you have been very vocal about that comparison, so you can say the same for the 603/JM27. So you know, the C1 is transistorized output, the V67 is transformer...The exact opposite of the JM27 and 603 design.
All those mics we used were of a similar price, and were used for the same type of application. Some color, some don't, but they are of the same type. In addition, I said nothing bad about any of the mics. I was complementary about all the mics when stating our opinion.
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Harvey Gerst
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I'm deeply saddened by the tone of this post.
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DJL
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I hate misleading info... expressly when used to spam a product.
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Marik
Pro Microphone Design
DJL said:
DJL,
I am not sure if you read it carefully, but Allan clearly wrote in a few messages "the same kind and type". It is not the "same"--the way you conviniently turn for your purposes. I hope you understand the difference between those two. At least I did not notice anything misleading. Also, if you read it carefully enough, Allan has mentioned ADK, Cascade, and some other brands, as well. Does it mean that he spams for his competitors???
And the last, as far as I know, nobody appointed you to be a moderator on this forum, so I would like to know, who gave you rights to decide here what is spam, and what is not.
And BTW, your statement about C4 and B5 is really misleading--why don't you hate it?
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DJL
Self Banned
Read Alan's post again...Marik said:
In the above post Alan is misleading people into believing the JM27 and MXL603S are the "same" mic... not kind of the same. It wasn't untill after I called Alan on the above statement that he said kind of the same.alanhyatt said:
When someone ask about a MXL603S they don't want an opinion of a MXL990 unless maybe they were the "same" mic (which they aren't). If the MXL603S and JM27 were indeed the "same" mic, or if Alan would have stated the JM27 and MXL603S were "kind of" the same (and explained) I wouldn't have said anything. But the JM27 and MXL603S are NOT the same and Alan was giving misleading JM27/MXL603S info in order to plug/spam his JM27 mic.
I hate misleading info... expressly when used to spam a product.
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Big Kenny
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Please, make it go away!!!!!!!!!!
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Richard Monroe
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Yo DJL- I've read all the posts, and this is one where I think you are basically right. Yeah, the statement was inaccurate and potentially misleading. Just don't beat the dead horse, pushing it will not support your position. I understand your position, as I think evryone else does. Give everyone enough credit to come to their own conclusions about what motivations led to the misleading statement. Badgering Alan about it and attempting to extract some admission of guilt (which will probably *not* be forthcoming) weakens your position and does not serve the interests of the board in general. Just let it go, and let others come to their own conclusions. You've made your point.-Richie
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DJL
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To bad Alan never posted what the sound differances were between the JM27 and MXL603S... I'm sure there are some people who still would like to know.Richard Monroe said:
Anyway, thank you Richard... it's good to know that there are some people on this bbs who can see the truth.
Warhead
Jai guru deva om
Wow...that's all I can say about this thread... 
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omtayslick
New member
And let me add.... Tiresome.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
sdelsolray said:
Interesting how different ears, different days, and different rooms bring different results. That is the beauty of this business. Nothing but opinions of individules based on room conditions. Too bad we did not get to sit in each others chair in front of the monitors for both our tests....
We found the total opposite of what you found.