Buzzwords: "Tube" and "Warm"

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For me, colors have number.

0: Black
1: White
2: Blue
3: Red
4: Yellow
5: Brown
6: Green
7: Purple

I discovered this when I was akid, and saw a care with a yellow licence plate that said 444. I thought it was hilarious, but it took me some time to realize why. :)
 
Colors have numbers??? :eek: I don't get it...
How can you do that?? And how would you number light and dark green?? :confused:

I think I have perfect pitch. (I used to. Then I started playing sax (transposing instrument) and I lost it... But for some years now I find myself listening to music, and spontaniously I label the notes. Then I go 'what the hell am I doing???', I check it on guitar, and it matches!) So I guess I have perfect pitch, but I never associated colors with it...
Maybe these guys learned to play on a toy piano with coloured keys? :D

I saw a documentary about Frank Zappa a while ago. He once told one of his musicians that he sees forms when playing. While playing solo's, he was thinking squares, triangles and circles...

I can understand associating colors and images or whatever with melodic or harmonic information. But not with just a note? The only thing that's fixed for a note is it's ground frequency... (different instruments...)

Hmmm... I like this... Very confusing.
 
I don't DO anything. It's just how it is. :)

I'd label dark green 60 and light green 61.

Yeah, I know, green=6, black=0, white=1. You figure it out. :) I guess theres some kind of logic to it, but it's just that when I look at a color, a number pops up.
And when I think of a number, a color pops up. But that connection isn't as strong, I think.

Hmm, maybe it is. I was thinking of "42" and I got a yellow-grennish feeling. 72. Brown with a touch of blue.
Hmm, that breaks the logic, but thats the color that pops up. :)

Ah well.
 
Ever notice in a basketball game,when a player misses the hoop and the crowd spontaniously chants "airball",its an F (air) down to a D (ball).
Ever tried to gets untrained folks to sing the same note at the same time?Doesn't it strike you as weird when on the other hand they do it spontaniously?
To tie this in to colors,numbers,etc. I'll relate this to an article I read in the paper this week about the patterns people see when they do hallucinogins (woah...trippy man...).It seems the brain is hardwired to perceive things in a mathmatical format (why you see patterns in a random cloud formation).And all these "different" things are based in math;colors,pitches,etc.
I hope this digression gives you all a "warm" feeling.

Tom
 
Regebro,

that's really cool! i'm with you for 0,1,2,3, but then 4 is green, 5 nothing pops up, 6 purple, 7 nothing, 8 yellow...
0-4 just seems natural to me, 5 & 7 are numbers that have followed me since i was a kid, 6 & 8 i connect to certain things that remind me of those colors.

music is also in colors to me, not so much specific notes, but songs are. it'd be really interesting to sequence the songs on an album after what colors the "produce", like a color spectrum or something.



Roel,

i don't wanna come off as if know better than anyone, but if you're a musician and have perfect pitch, you know it. i promise :) . you probably have relative pitch, like i have. i can be dead on one time, and another time i'll just be in the same ballpark, close but not exact. when you meet people with "absolute perfect pitch", some can tell you some pretty 'scary' stories of how they can't stand listening to the radio because of all the crappy singers singing just off pitch. my professor at the university where i went actually felt sick when he heard stuff being played slightly out of tune. good true story: once he called the classical music radio station and told them they had to fix the drive one of their turntables because it was spinning a fraction of an rpm too slowly. i guess it pissed him off... ( BTW, Regebro, it was P2... ;) )

far from all people with perfect pitch seem to have this problem, though.

micmac
 
I do have relative pitch. But just a tiny bit of perfect pitch too... With just relative pitch, I wouldn't know the note a tune started with. Or maybe I get a little lucky from time to time. Anyway. Relative pitch is close enough.

Once on my guitar lessons, there was a girl that could not play with a capo on. This transposes the instrument, so it all sounded wrong. She just couldn't do it... It is weird however, if you change from a normal to a transposing instrument. Or from tenor(Bb) to alto(Eb) sax or something. Very confusing... All the notes sound wrong. (even with just relative pitch)

So what collor is 666?? :D
 
i think that's interesting!

Roel,

the thing you're talking about, changing instruments and it becomes confusing, is it because the fingerings are the same but the tones they produce are different? i don't know much about how to play sax, how different are they to play, technically speaking?

when i play guitar and change tuning it takes a few moments for my brain to rewire and connect "new" fingerings with "new" chords. i love doing it, though. it's like playing a totally different instrument - but it only takes a few minutes to learn the basics. :)


micmac
 
Same fingerings(unless you start playing overtones :) ), just a bigger instrument. And ofcourse a bigger mouthpiece and bigger reed. You have to get used to that. Haven't played tenor alot. I had one at my place for a few months, but it was completely out of tune, no fun playing it at all...
The most difficult is changing your 'mental tuning'. Saxes are transposing instruments, if you play a C on an alto, it will sound as a Eb on the piano. Play a C on the tenor and you'll hear Bb... So the difference between both is a fifth. You just want to play the first harmonic when switching. Or you think you're playing it when you're not when switching the other way around. VERY confusing. Alot of fun. For some reason, I like being confused lately... :)

I think retuning a guitar is different. For me it is. If I retune the guitar the notes are just on different places. Maybe when I turn all the strings down or up the same amount. That's what happens if you play classical music with a capo. The C will be at 3 frets from the capo, but it will sound higher...
 
Well... If you put a capo on the guitar, the classical way of looking at it is as if you just moved the nut up a few frets. So the position of the 'notes' moves along...

For example: the C is located on the 5th string, 3rd fret.
When you put a capo on the 4 fred, the 'C' will be on the same string, 3rd fret but starting to count from where the capo is. So the new 'C' will sound as E on a piano...

Hope this makes sense...
 
Thanks Roel,

gotta chew a bit on that one for a while. i tried "playing" a friends tenor sax before and it was awsome! i mean, i only managed to get a few 'sounds' out of it, but still, your whole body kinda vibrates... just amazing....

i see patterns when i play guitar, i rarely think of what note i'm hitting or where they are, unless i'm trying to figure out how to play some song.

the thing Kristian commented on, do you mean the chord fingering is C but you're actually playing a D#? did i get it? or?

micmac
 
"E" of course...i need coffee.....

sorry, didn't see your post before i posted...
 
is that what transposing is? doent sound like a hard concept. when i play witha capo on the notes stay the same. if you kept that capo on the 4th fret, C is still in the same spot. beause when you play 7th fret ont he A string its still E not C. i gues its s simple way to trick the mind into playing another key without actually thinking about the bs and #s. ive never tried this, as i dont readily have a capo availiable. but if you put it on the 4th fret like you say, then tune the strings back to normal, i wonder what happens then?
 
You like being confused too, right??

Transposing is rewriting or playing a piece a certain nr of semitones higher or lower.

When you play with a capo, the notes stay indeed at the same place. But when playing with a capo, classical players THINK different about it. They will start counting the frets from the capo, instead of the nut!!
So, without the capo, C is at the third fret. WITH the capo on the 4th fret, the C will be at the 4+3 or seventh fret! So you are actually playing an E, but you think of it as playing an E. Very good exercise to ruin perfect pitch...

Now, on guitar, you mostly think as playing positions. Here transposing is just moving up or down the neck with a certain nr of frets. On piano or sax or ... , it is different. Here you think of it as playing notes, so you have to really transpose it before you play it. You read a C, make the calculation, and still think of it as playing E! Rather difficult if you're not used to it.
Well trained classical players would just read in a different clef. I'm more comfortable adding a fifth. (when transposing a Bb score to Eb. You add a fifth to the note on score, cause the note you play will sound a fifth lower! So you end up playing the sam note...)
 
kristian said:
ive never tried this, as i dont readily have a capo availiable. but if you put it on the 4th fret like you say, then tune the strings back to normal, i wonder what happens then?
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...people with extremely short arms could pick up guitar playing :D .

on a more serious note, i guess you'll lose soundwise by making the strings 'shorter', 'cause you're just decreasing the distance between nut and bridge.

micmac
 
ok this isnt helping with my calc homework... but that doesnt matter :)

i need a better example of transposing. i play paino as well so let me try to clear this up. well, i cant. how on earth is piano a transposed instrument? also, on a sax what im assuming you are saying is VERY much like a guitar. you take then same exact positions you just place them on a 'larger scale' like a baritone guitar. but since you can still play the same forms but the actual notes are different? sounds pretty simple.
 
Piano is NOT a transposing instrument. But if you have a score for a Bb instrument, and you want to play together, you have to transpose the score.

On a Bb instrument, a 'C' sounds as a Bb on the piano. So if there is a C on the score, you should play Bb on the piano...
You could retune EVERY string in the piano, which would make it a transposing instrument.

On a sax, you cannot move up or down the neck the way you do on a guitar. Tranposing on a guitar is as easy as playing the note a few frets higher. Very visual. On a sax, you have the fingerings mapped on notenames ... So you have to figure out which note to play. So you go, I read a F#, minus a fifth that's a B and you play a B. So it's very math-like instead of visually moving up a fret.

By the way, you can change the length of a sax etc. Which is exactly what tenor and bariton saxes are...
 
okie............ the deffinitions of transposing have been a bit shakey.

When you transpose something, you transfer if from one key, to another.

IE....... if something was written in the key of F# but that is too high for the vocalist, you would change it into another key using transposition, maybe into the key of C# which would be a bit easier... for the vocalist at least..... 7 sharps....... weeeeee

Piano IS NOT a instrument that needs transposition. It is a concert pitch instrument, IE Whatever note is is on the page is the one that will come out the instrument, opposed to when you play a sax, french horn, clarinet or other such instrument. If you asked a piano player to play a C and a french horn player to play a C, the same note would not come out because the french horn isn't a concert pitch instrument....... if I remeber correctly its played a 5th higher, so U ask for a C from the horn player and if U match their C to a note on the piano it would actually be G.........

See what I'm getting at?

Sabith
 
What the hell are you people talking about? I don't remeber this being the "home recording studio owners on acid" forum.
 
French horn is either in Eb or in F, or... more... Dunno.
Don't think G is in the list.

And a little list...
Trumpet, flugel horn, Tenor sax, Soprano: Bb
Alto sax, Bariton sax: Eb
Piano, violin, flute: C
 
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