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Anyone out there have any experience with it? Testimonials?
The Buzz Feiten method works dude.Light said:Snake oil.
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
TheDewd said:If it was snake oil, then why do TOP manufacturers would fit all their guitars with it?
I'm talking about Anderson, Suhr, etc....GREAT guitars!
That's not actually Buzz's 'big thing'.Light said:Because people like you buy into it and will buy guitars because of it.
I've listened to them, and it is snake oil.
It is not so much that what he is doing isn't based on some degree of truth, it is the idea that what he is selling is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM NEW OR UNIQUE.
What is his big thing? The nut is in the wrong place.
So, if my guitar hasn't been built by you, are you saying it could it benefit from having the BF system installed?Well, that would depend on how the guitar is made, but in MOST guitars the compensation he "discovered" is built in as a natural and ineveitable part of making the guitar. Every guitar I've ever built has the nut in the "right" place (acording to his "system"), and I did it without even thinking about it.
Not for everybody or in every situation. From what I understand he's turend it into a science rather than guesswork.So what then; it needs to be tuned slightly off of "legal" pitch, right? Well, that is a natural thing when you are tuning by ear.
Not necessarily. How about electronic tuners such as the ones that support the BF system?It is only when people try and tune to a electronic tuner that they run into the "problem" he is supposedly fixing.
Why are so many people using it these days then? I thought the entire point was that you could play any voicing anywhere on the guitar and it would sound pleasing? I've only heard one guitar with the system installed, but it sounded good to me. The guy was playing Django style gypsy jazz, using a wide variety of chords and voicings.PLUS, it only works if you play certain voicings. For the chords I play, it makes the guitar sound awful. And for anyone else who has a unique or personal style of playing chords, it just doesn't work. Ever.
But isn't this the type of thing the BF system compensates for?And many other things will throw you out of tune as well, such as playing hard, or higher action.
Even if I tune by ear, and really take my time, the first three frets of the B string will be off - especially on my acoustic. Every guitar I've ever played has this problem. If I know I'm going to be playing an open A chord for instance I tune appropriatly, so that the C# doesn't sound sharp. I would much rather not have to do this.If you want to get your guitar to play in tune for YOUR style (as opposed to Buzz Fietein's style, which if you've ever heard him play is pretty fucking dull), then you need to learn to tune by ear.
THEN you can worry about what adjustments you need to make to your tuner to get yourself in tune with one.
Basically, it is a solution without a problem, being sold for about 2000 times its value. THAT is the definition of snake oil, if you ask me.
Codmate said:Even if I tune by ear, and really take my time, the first three frets of the B string will be off - especially on my acoustic. Every guitar I've ever played has this problem. If I know I'm going to be playing an open A chord for instance I tune appropriatly, so that the C# doesn't sound sharp. I would much rather not have to do this.
mx_mx said:What the hell is snake oil?
Codmate said:I don't have the time nor the desire to go through this point by point, but a lot of stuff was said.
Light said:Because people like you buy into it and will buy guitars because of it.
I've listened to them, and it is snake oil.
It is not so much that what he is doing isn't based on some degree of truth, it is the idea that what he is selling is IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM NEW OR UNIQUE.
What is his big thing? The nut is in the wrong place. Well, that would depend on how the guitar is made, but in MOST guitars the compensation he "discovered" is built in as a natural and ineveitable part of making the guitar. Every guitar I've ever built has the nut in the "right" place (acording to his "system"), and I did it without even thinking about it.
So what then; it needs to be tuned slightly off of "legal" pitch, right? Well, that is a natural thing when you are tuning by ear. It is only when people try and tune to a electronic tuner that they run into the "problem" he is supposedly fixing. PLUS, it only works if you play certain voicings. For the chords I play, it makes the guitar sound awful. And for anyone else who has a unique or personal style of playing chords, it just doesn't work. Ever. And many other things will throw you out of tune as well, such as playing hard, or higher action. If you want to get your guitar to play in tune for YOUR style (as opposed to Buzz Fietein's style, which if you've ever heard him play is pretty fucking dull), then you need to learn to tune by ear. THEN you can worry about what adjustments you need to make to your tuner to get yourself in tune with one.
Basically, it is a solution without a problem, being sold for about 2000 times its value. THAT is the definition of snake oil, if you ask me.
Light
"Cowards can never be moral."
M.K. Gandhi
SBax said:But I thought the frets were skewed too? Angled one way near the nut and the opposite after the 12th fret. Can this only be done on a new guitar?
SBax said:But I thought the frets were skewed too? Angled one way near the nut and the opposite after the 12th fret. Can this only be done on a new guitar?