Bob Taylor's approach to making guitars

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I don't have a Taylor guitar, and I'm not suggesting anybody buy one necessarily. I'm not a Christian either. So please don't anybody suggest that I'm posting this here to promote either Taylor guitars or the Christian message. (Equally true, I have nothing against his guitars or his religion either.) But I like his approach to learning and improving, and I wanted to share it. The tough part was deciding which forum to put it in because I think this goes *way* beyond just guitars, but since he's talking about guitars ostensibly... And yes, I know it's an infomercial, but I hope you get something from it anyway. It's all about taking what you know you're good at as far as you can, and balancing that with taking chances as well.

"How do you use creativity and technology to solve problems?
Bob Taylor is the innovative president of Taylor Guitars.

The answer is simple: know what you're good at. Too many people try to be all things to all people. You can't really accomplish that goal, and you won't really find a client base that wants that, even though they may clamor as though they do. People want to be involved with a product or a group that is somehow different and meets a need they have.

When I first started making guitars in 1973, people noticed that they were easy to play compared to other guitars. It was an unplanned, innocent improvement on my part, but as time went on I realized I had an innate ability to understand how that part of a guitar works.

And so I focused on it until I satisfied even my own hopes and dreams about it. Sounds like a normal plan, unless you understand that the goal of any instrument-maker is to build the best sounding guitar, which I decided not to chase after. My guitars sounded fine - good enough - and people seemed to like them, at least enough for me to sell those I was making.

But even those who didn't like our particular sound admitted that my guitars played better than they'd ever experienced. For those folks, their thought was, 'If only the Taylor guitar sounded the way I like a guitar to sound, I'd buy it.'

You see, they liked the playability of the guitar and wanted to be a part of the Taylor family, but something we didn't offer kept them away. Well, I couldn't accommodate them. Did that mean they didn't play guitar? Of course not, they played; they just didn't buy a Taylor.

I have to ask, will someone not have a relationship with Jesus if your church doesn't offer the exact kind of experience they think they require?

I don't think God set things up to be that fragile. Perhaps you're an incredible teaching pastor and people have flocked in, hungry for teaching. So you surround yourself with staff of other talents because you have the teaching covered.

What if you focused more on teaching? Didn't people come for that? Are you trying to be a church that covers every single base as well as the next guy, even though those aren't your talents? What if you hired more great teachers instead? Just a thought & back to guitars.

Anyway, we kept our focus on what I set out to do and 25 years later reached the goal, once and for all, on the playability feature of our guitars. I'll talk more about that journey as we go. But we really, totally, accomplished it.

Well, that goal was done, so I began to focus on sound. Guitar players noticed the change in sound, and the group of Taylor Guitar lovers has grown and is growing from that effort. I believe that when the history books are finished being written, we stand a good chance of being credited with raising the bar on sound as well.

Why? Because we focused on our first goal until we accomplished it, leaving room and energy to then move on to another goal. I truly believe that we may not have reached either without knowing what we were good at and focusing on that, leaving other goals as lesser for a period of time.

Be a 'Tweak-head'. I'm always tweaking and adjusting, trying not to start over, but improving on our strengths. If you know what you're good at, and focus on it, you can tweak it, improve it, become an expert at it; all based on the enthusiasm you had at the onset.

Start with a burning idea, see some fruit from it, and then work to make it become real in a larger, more effective way.

For me, I was good at making guitars that played better, as I stated earlier. Having an innate understanding got me 90% of the way there, surpassing most people in the business.

How could I surpass them so easily on this one feature? Because they were 'doing it' but not really paying attention to it. I was paying attention, focusing on an area of my craft that I felt I could improve. I was doing it on purpose.

This is where tweaking comes in: strive toward constant improvement and increased expertise on a subject. The last 10% that I needed to learn something nobody seemed to address - took 24 years, but all along the way I made progress. All along the way, customers saw me as being the expert on easy-playing guitars, even though I felt I hadn't really accomplished my goals on the matter. I understood the basics, but I kept going deeper and deeper to see how the nuances affected the whole. It's the subtle nuances, the tiny details that make the difference.

Eventually, we redesigned how a neck attached to a guitar body. We had to do this to achieve the improvements in the finer details that were so hard to control. I grew to understand that guitars - as I'd inherited them - were designed by people long ago to fit their technology and ability.

I was making guitars in their tradition, simply trying to do a better job than they did, but my skill was not really better than theirs; they were top-notch craftsmen. They had experienced the same shortcomings with their guitars as I had, but they had no hope of solving the problem because their technology regulated how they accomplish the task.

The guitar was already designed, as an instrument, and sweeping changes to it were not allowed for my ancestors, or for me. The changes would have to be invisible to the user, leaving a guitar - a guitar.

It was obvious that the tweaking had gone its distance and some invention was needed.

Never underestimate the power of invention. I assure you, there will be times in your life that an invention, a new idea, or a new solution will be absolutely necessary to enable you to go forward with continued success. Sometimes they are necessary just to survive, but certainly we want more than survival.

It seems like an elementary thought to say that you don't know what you don't know. But it's true. It blows my mind to meet so many people that think that because they don't know it, it doesn't exist, or it can't exist.

Why do so many people spend so much of their lives not being able to create new, fresh solutions to problems? I think it's because they refuse opportunities along the path of their work-a-day world that would have led to something. These opportunities are blown off as something that has no place for us, or a waste of time, or too risky. Perhaps you're waiting for some other person to prove the idea before you jump in.

I have a little method that I use to help aid in creating Taylor Guitars' new, bright future. That is, I buy into new technology, or ideas, on a small and harmless basis for a single purpose. The thinking is, if this machine or idea only did this one little job and never leads to anything else of value, I would not have wasted any money.

But the upside is, if it does lead to something else, I'll learn the technology a little at a time on a risk-free basis, because anything I achieve beyond what I set out to do is an extra benefit.

Let me tell you about lasers. We did exactly what I explained above when I spent $28,000 on my first little laser many years ago, when these machines were very new to the industry. I had a simple use for it on only one guitar model, and I agreed that if did nothing more than that, yes, it would be an expensive solution, but we could live with it.

Without taking up chapters to write about it, I'll say that we now have $1/2 million invested in all types of lasers that run - cutting parts - nearly 24 hours a day. They're crucial to our operation, and were one of the key components in the redesign of our necks.

Every single one of the hundreds of operations that we now do came about by the fact that we had a laser in our shop, where before we didn't have one. We literally design guitar components that we would not have thought of before because we knew before that we couldn't manufacture the design anyway.

Before, every time our minds would wander into our wish list of solutions, we'd back track because we new we couldn't make our wish come true in the physical world. Now, we have lasers that can make parts that before we never dreamed of making. You see, the capability, having the resource, changes the way we design. It changes our fundamental creativity.

It's very hard to explain in so few words, but Taylor Guitars would not exist today - in the form it is - without having bought that first laser for that first job.

And I can say the same thing about our Ultra Violet Cured finishes that we invented to be able to comply with Environmental Laws.

Or, the computer-driven mills and robots that do work impossible for a person to do. When we first started using computerized mills, I had to give a slide show presentation at a guild of guitar-makers. I showed a photo of this machine, that everyone was critically gossiping about, and introduced it as 'the machine that eats men and spits their bones into the sky'.

Nobody could understand how a guitar-maker could commit such a defiling act against the idea of 'hand-crafting' an instrument. Fast-forward to present and go see them all using the same machines in order to compete, both in quality and cost. I'm happy to see them doing it. You see they don't just compete against me, but they have to compete against other forms of making a living. They've now made themselves more productive, and they remain guitar-builders because of it.

Every one of these examples started as a small, calculated risk and grew into great benefits. But, please understand, the added benefits were completely hidden at the onset. Financial-type people always ask me what the payback period is on one of these costly machines (we have millions of dollars worth of them now).

They also like to know what study I made to calculate the need. I can only tell them that I know my future lies down that road. Out there is where my future is, and these inventions and investments are a part of that future; they help to create the future. If that is not faith, I don't know what is.

Okay, that's machines, which you don't use. But I could say the same about the chiropractor that we put on staff to take care of our workers. Three hundred and fifty people use their bodies each day to serve our company. He makes them feel healthy and prevents repetitive strain and keeps them feeling good. They like to come to work now when their back is hurting because that's where the free treatment is located.

Years later, our worker's compensation experience modification is now the lowest in our state, which saves us from ruin as California's out-of-control rising rates place 50% hikes on employers across the board.

I am telling you that you have no idea what could be spawned from buying something like your first video projector to put the words of your worship songs up on a screen, (as if that's all it can do) or make your first little movie of a men's breakfast on your iMac.

Do not pooh-pooh your way out of a bright future, or let nay-sayers discourage you and your team. These little things can turn into more than they appear to be on the surface. That little iMovie you spend two hours making could capture a moment that leads the next person to the Lord, particularly when it's taken to all your home groups and played to the neighbors. It could be the start of a broadcasting network. You never know.

I'm not trying to hand out a license to buy needless toys with money you don't have, but I believe with all my heart that you create a future for yourself by taking steps of faith. I was asked here how we use technology and creativity to solve problems, and how to improve on things that are already good.

And let's all remember that this is the whole idea of faith, and that God blesses us for our obedience in displaying our faith. That's how it works

Worship - Is to glorify God in EVERYTHING we do! (Isa 26:8)"
 
i dont' know about all of that....

but my taylor 414 kicks ass.
 
Dobro,

THANKS for posting that. Lot of inspiration there, and it applies regardless of your faith, or lack thereof. I happen to be a guitarist and a Christian, as well as a supervisor in my job at a major newspaper, so this TRULY applies.

Fab
 
Taylor is one heck of a company. They are a model for any guitar builder ( or any other company for that matter ) to aspire to in terms of customer service, product development, and employee concerns.

Hey Bob.... got any openings?


got mojo?
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Bob is a great guy who runs a great company. I will give an example. My family owns a major upper Midwest repair shop, and (among others) we do warranty work for Taylor. We had a fairly new Taylor come in with an Expression pickup system which was not working. This was the first of these we had worked on. They sent us a video about the system, replacing it, and a new system to replace the damaged one. Because this was the first one we had done, it took the woman doing the work considerably longer than we had originally estimated. We called our rep at Taylor today, and he authorized payment for three hours at our full shop rate without pause.

They take their warranty work seriously, and though I am one of those who are not fond of their sound, there are very few details on their guitars which I do not think are made impeccably. I hate their cutaways, as they are not smooth at the body joint, and I think they are lazy with their purfling. Those are the only things about their guitars I do not like. All in all, that is not a bad thing for a luthier to say about a factory guitar.


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Yeah, well I'm always tweaking as well. But even if you're always tweaking, you can get stuck in a rut. I like the idea of allowing new roads onto your map that you can explore.
 
phew.. thankyou for your thought to pass that on Dobro.. very inspirational..
 
Thanks for posting that Dobro!

I enjoyed that. I am a Christian, bass player, guitar player, song writer and aspire to do some decent recordings someday.

The "informercial" as you described it reminds me of a sermon my pastor did related to the movie "SIGNS" with Mel Gibson.

He stated that their were two kinds of people in the world:

1. People that define God according to their circumstances.

2. People that define their circumstances according to their God.

Mel Gibson was in group 1 after his wifes death but by the end of the movie with the haunting theme of "there are no coinicedences in life" he moved to group 2.

I am not sure why the Bob Taylor article reminded me so much about that thought process other than one little thing like taking a chance on trying out a laser lead to such a significant impact on his business and success.

I also love the free chiropractor for the workers. Its pro-active and saves him and the local tax payors money and its good for the workers....

We need more business owners out there like him willing to invest in things where the pay out is not obvious or guaranteed.
 
dobro said:
Yeah, well I'm always tweaking as well. But even if you're always tweaking, you can get stuck in a rut. I like the idea of allowing new roads onto your map that you can explore.

snnnnniiiiphhh!

I think you missed the joke........;)
 
I think my 314ce-ltd (koa) was built for me...somehow... I dunno. I at least know I was inspired to buy it. It's an absolute pleasure to play and sounds like angels singing. I think it's the wood, but I can't get over the sustain... it just rings forever. BTW dobro, thanks for posting this.

bd
 
Seems like that whole post is just a reprint of an interview with Bob Taylor.... so what’s the point of posting it?

I played a few Taylor’s and they all seemed quite nice and very consistent in sound and so I bought a 610ce on e bay for a decent price. It sounds like crap and I won't bother buying another Taylor again, it even feels like it is machine made. With a $3000 something retail price and it still has plastic binding? The selection of the maple for the neck is terrible. Perhaps there is a reason that those 'old craftsmen made their guitars in a certain way' and that we might actually learn something from them and keep making them that way...because they sound good!! I don't think your God really wanted us meddling with science and thinking that we are smarter than we really are, Yes, he did make things that 'fragile' and we have done a great job fu**ing that fragile balance up.
If I had known that Bob Taylor was another conceited Christian then I would never have bought a Taylor at all.
Nice to know that he looks after his workers, but that's about it.
 
Whats the point of bringing up a thread thats 2 years old?

And whats the point of your first 4 posts all trying to stir up crap? If you don't like it feel free to leave.
 
strebor24 said:
Seems like that whole post is just a reprint of an interview with Bob Taylor.... so what’s the point of posting it?

Ummm.... so people could read it here?

A link would do, too, but re-posts are fairly common.

Yeah- I'm not really sure how I feel about too much machinery being used to build guitars, but... can't really argue with success. A friend of mine has a $2500 hand-made Santa Cruz guitar and it kick my 110's butt. But I paid $450 for the 110 and it holds its own with the SC. I can't complain too much.

Now if machinery puts hand-crafted guitar makers out of business that's another story, but I'm not sure that'll happen either.

Take care,
Chris
 
D'oh!! Usually I catch the date. Oh, well.
 
Machines do a lot of things better than people can,but it's people who make the machines.

I'm all for the advancement of technology in the field of guitar making.Better guitars at better prices,I'm all for that.
 
Seems like that whole post is just a reprint of an interview with Bob Taylor.... so what’s the point of posting it?

It's just a little thing we call SHARING. ;)

I enjoyed reading it.
 
OK, first of all, what the fuck! This thread was dead, and you posted to it WHY?

But OK, I'll bite.

If you think that the build quality of Taylor’s is anything other than first rate, you are an idiot who knows nothing about how guitars are built. Sure, they have a distinct sound that not everyone likes (I don't, for instance), but as my good friend Jim Olson says, you can't worry too much about that. You can only build the best guitar you can make, be sure that it is a guitar that YOU like, and then hope others like it as well. Taylor does that as well as anyone. Sure, they use CNC machines, but so does almost everyone in the industry. Certainly anyone who builds as many guitars as Taylor does NEEDS to use CNC machines. Martin, by the way, has been making guitars for 172 years, has made more guitars in the last ten years since they started using CNC machines than they made in the previous 162 years. Many of those guitars are exceptional guitars, and the overall quality is certainly more consistent and probably better. For all the supposed magic of 1930's Martins and such, I have played a 1934 D-28 that was, honestly, a dud. Just a boring guitar. When you risk such failures of workmanship, you also have the opportunity to get guitars like the famous Graham Parsons/Tony Rice D-28 which is (supposedly) one of the best guitars ever made. Now granted, I have played only a handful of 1930's D's, and the rest were exceptional, but it is the same with Gibsons and Martins. When they were hand made, they were very inconsistent. Taylor has never had that problem, and in recent years neither has Martin.

Oh, and Santa Cruz makes all their necks and bridges with CNC machines, among other things. Also they would be considered a boutique factory, NOT a hand made guitar, which is generally considered to be a guitar made by one person, as opposed to a guitar made without the use of machines. There are only a handful of guys still doing it without machines, and none of them are making more than about a dozen guitars a year.

As far as Taylor as a company, they take care of not only their employees, but also their customers and their warranty shops. Martin is still considered the gold standard of warranties, but Taylor is giving them one hell of a run for their money. And there is no question that Taylor is by FAR the easiest of the major manufactures to work with. By FAR. While I may not like their sound, there are hundreds of thousands who DO, and they are not wrong. They just have a different opinion than mine. But when it comes to the build quality of Taylor’s, they are impeccable.


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