BlueBear, MassiveMaster - What do you think of the Line6 stuff?

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And any other gurus I so rudely forgot to mention -

OK - we all know that a properly miced cabinet a one hundred and twenty uber-decibels will blow the Pod/Vetta out of the water, but do you think that Line6 - Pod stuff can -

1. Be disguised to fit into a "commercial quality" CD?
2. Sucks and should never be used and/or mentioned in this forum again?
3. OK for clean stuff, shitty for distorted stuff?

As always, I appreciate the benefit of your collective wisdom.

:) Q.

(That means vent here..... ;) )
 
A quality amp mic'd correctly with a decent (or appropriate) mic, at almost any volume can't be beat.

OK, so I didn't answer your question and I ain't no frickin' guru, but I'll stand by my comment.;)

:cool:
 
long time debate...I'm no guru... but I am on the side of the fence that a mic'd amp is just a different sound, just like a different setting on a POD. Not better, not easier to mix, just different.

Therefore, the ability to "beat" an amp with a mic is quite easy.

Try using your POD, J-station.... to just create a sound and don't worry about emulation. Will the "twin" setting sound like a real Fender twin. Close, but probably not exact if that is your goal. Will it sound good never the less? In my opinion, as a sound on its own and not an emulation tool, yeah..it sounds great...in a mix, solo, commercial CD whatever.


so...if you are trying to "disguise" the sound in a "commercial CD"...that appears like you are trying to "fake" a wall -o -Marshalls, or whatever. Some "golden ear" will call you out. If you are just "using" the sound, yeah.. I think you'd be supprised at the number of "commercial CDs" that use such items. However, the trend probably is more towards amps, as people of the likes like VanHalen, etc don't usually go around using J-stations. They seem to prefer amps in all situations.

one last item. The trick is in the fingers, imo.... If you did give Eddie a Zoom505, you'd probably be impressed (that's if you like Eddie!)
 
My personal preference is mic'ing - and that's typically what I'll try first... but I agree with MixMkr... if a POD (or equivalent) gives you the right sound for the track, then use it.......
 
I use the POD Pro like it was some sort of wonder-tool. For good reason. I'll explain a bit...

The Pod Pro (don't know about the standard Pod) has some parameters that you can get to via PC that REALLY make it shine. As usual, the presets are "okay" but once you really dive in...

It's also a HUGE time-saver. I had two situations with similar circumstances - (1) Band from Florida, recording in Florida, I'm producing and mixing in Chicago. Didn't like the original guitar tones. Had them redo them through a POD - One track of the POD's record out, one track of the DRY direct out. This gave me the option of taking the DRY signal, that has all the nuances that it needs (harmonics, controlled feedback) and run it through any patch on MY Pod that I liked. I also had the option of running that same signal through any amp I could muster up if I wanted the mic'd up cabinet. (2) Band from New York - Flown out to Chicago so I could produce / record. We had VERY limited time for the band to lay down the main tracks (Drums, percussion, keyboards, violin) and I was going to session out all the other instruments (guitars, bass, percussion, small string section, etc.) in Chicago after they were back in NY. In the studio, I had the POD handy while we were cleaning up tracks and doing some rough mixes. I came up with guitar and bass myself parts while we were still in the studio. Saved the budget in 30 minutes. Obviously, I re-recorded all of those tracks (again, through the POD) at my place here.

Don't sell that "dry out" short - If you can't get the sound you want quickly with the Pod, you can at least get the performance down. Again, the way the guitar reacts with all the additional gain (especially for rock / metal) will be recorded onto this dry track. Run it through anything you want. It's the essence of Re-Amping in a very usefull and pretty red box.

John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com
 
Yup, I'll do the same thing -- if I'm the least bit unhappy with a band's guitar tone, I'll take a DI track along with it for re-amping (or re-POD'ing) later on........
 
I like using the POD for doubling of rythm parts.

Obviously, I think it's best to use the most optimal amp / mic / room combination possible during the intial tracking phase. But then during overdubs, I'll usually suggest plugging in to the POD to find a "second" tone that compliments that of the real amp; maybe something that will thicken/enhance . . . or just add a certain interesting texture when appropriate.

I don't think an amp model can usually stand on it's own, but seems to do a more than admirable job in a complimentar/supporting role.
 
Ive been using Amp Farm quite frequently lately. Too many small budget bands are bringing in there cheap bright and brittle sounding amps that just plain out sound aweful no matter what. So ill use a good DI box and record dry signal in, and process to Amp Farm.

Since its better then what they would have got i dont feel bad at all for using it. And it does a decent job and its easy to change the tones any time you want.

Would i rather have a real JCM800 and celestion cab in there and mic it up? Of course.

Danny
 
The Pod pro in my studio gets used mostly for the scratch track,
a lot of the bands come in and the guitar player will go through the pod the bass direct and the vocals in a booth and we'll go to work on getting those drums the way we want and the guitar sounds pretty decent for the drummer.
 
i've been using a GT-6 and messed around with the mesa boogie preset. it wasnt the exact mesa sound but it was close enough to piss off a friend with one. as for recording ....i still havent been able to find the perfect mic placement yet so i keep using the GT-6
 
Ditto on useing it for scratches...Sometimes it will end up being used in the end..As with everthing it depends..I did a session for a band {as a player} and thats all I used..It was a nice quick way to get the demo done!I think they got some local airplay with it..I used Line 6 amp DI on one of my demos once..and when the mix eng. heard the guitars he asked me what I did because he dug 'em...Tool for the job is how I look at it...




Don
 
I use the Roland VG88 and think it puts the POD to shame. I run the guitar straight out to a red knobbed twin(miced and sometimes using effects like a wah or phaseshifter), a dry signal through the amp to a channel on the mixer and then a line from the guitar into the synthesizer which runs through the mixer also. This gives you 3 sources for mixing both for live and recording purposes. It sorta opens up a new dimension for you.
 
I just thought that maybe next time i will do both. Mic the crappy guitar amp, getting it the best it can sound, and the mix it in with the Amp Farm. Should give it a little more realism without sacrificing tone.

Danny
 
. . . yeah, me too. :(

Hey fenix, wanna record some tunes instead? :cool:
 
Massive Master said:
I use the POD Pro like it was some sort of wonder-tool. For good reason. I'll explain a bit...

The Pod Pro (don't know about the standard Pod) has some parameters that you can get to via PC that REALLY make it shine. As usual, the presets are "okay" but once you really dive in...
John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com
Click to expand...


Just an FYI for those with a more limited budget... yes, you can tweak the POD2 ("standard pod") with a PC... the cable costs about $35.00 (Canadian - which is like what? $1.25 USD??) and the POD comes with the software to "Dive in" and carve those sounds out just the way you need...

... Nice little tool. I also use it for live gigs... it rocks.

- Tanlith -
 
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