"Blank slate" room - where to begin?

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jimmys69 said:
You can get double the amount of Roxul 80 for the same price as the OC703 by the way. Performance is not much better with the 703. It is much 'stiffer' though.
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Do the big box stores like Home Depot generally carry the Roxul products? Or is that something you would have to order or find at a specialty place?

Also, is the fabric everywhere just for aesthetic purposes?
 
Nope. You would have to go through someone like SPI. <That is a link to the website. They seem to be fairly close to you. Sorry, I am a mod so I know your general area.

The fabric is only there to make it not look like a crappy basement and to drape over the storage area on one side and the laundry room/water heater/furnace on the other. I try to keep my studio to have a feel of a rehearsal space, but one that has some mood. The cloth was only like $1.50 a yard. I recommend flirting with the sales person to get a better deal. It worked for me. He wasss really nisssse. lmao!
 
That is not the same thing man...

I have heard of members using the 'Safe And Sound' but have yet to hear how it performs via testing. I am interested though. If it is like the loose rockwool I have seen, it is heavy and very limp. Harder to suspend in a ceiling than the pink stuff. Definitely a challenge for a framed trap.
 
jimmys69 said:
Here are some pix of what I did in my drum/guitar room. Again, the whole ceiling is filled with insulation. In my case Roxul 80. I found out later that fluffy would have likely performed as well, but the nice thing about the Roxul is that it is stiff enough to cut 1/2" over the opening size and it holds itself up. Over two years of recording in there and no sag. There would be no need for a ceiling cloud by doing it this way. The hanging panels are 4"x2'x4' Roxul 80 panels hung 6" off the walls. No corner traps in this room as it is only for recording and I found it not needed after I performed this treatment. The panels are just office dividers that I hung at angles from the ceiling to tame reflections off the walls behind them which are about 8' behind them.
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interesting looking live room jimmy, I love seeing other peoples studios, especially the live rooms, is there any diffusion in the room or is it all absorption? I was wondering why there is no diffusion
 
Well, the office panels as explained work as diffusion to some degree. The walls behind them are around 8' behind. I have no issues with flutter echo in the room whatsoever. It is not a typical room and I could not say why or how diffusion would work here. In this setup, it just does for me. It doesn't hurt that the whole room is 32'x15'. About 15 x 18' is the useable space between the cloth/panels.
 
jimmys69 said:
That is not the same thing man...

I have heard of members using the 'Safe And Sound' but have yet to hear how it performs via testing. I am interested though. If it is like the loose rockwool I have seen, it is heavy and very limp. Harder to suspend in a ceiling than the pink stuff. Definitely a challenge for a framed trap.
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I was doing a little poking around on the web, seems like there are a few fairly reputable sources saying that the 'Safe n Sound' product works well as long as it is at least 6-9 inches deep. In my mind, the obvious application would be a superchunk corner bass trap, which would end up costing you about $20 in insulation vs about $150 if you used OC 703. I don't know enough about it to comment, but several people have said that it works well for specifically low frequency absorption (apparently not as well for broadband, but again, I'm not totally sure).
 
From what I have read from those who know more than I, it has been shown that pink fluffy stuff in the same space as an expensive 'superchunk' trap made of solid OC703 or rockwool, actually performs better. It has more to do with simplicity of build. Stacking rigid panels is much easier. It is quite possible that the 'Safe n Sound' product gives the same results. I don't know. But it sure is not as easy to make moveable panels nor filling spaces in a ceiling.

One of these days (hopefully) there will be a definitive guide to what works best and where. The problem is there are too many variables and applications in any given space.

For now I just know what works for me in my space. I can only recommend for similar situations that resemble what works for me. I can't say what is right/wrong nor what is best for any given situation. I just do not have experience with multiple situations like someone like MR. Brandt has.

Did you email him yet? You really should man.
 
This page gives some good comparisons on sound absorbing characteristics on the different materials. Unfortunatley, for the Roxul products it shows it at 2", not 4' so do you double the numbers for the specs, when you double up the thickness? Probably not?
 
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