BLACK DOG the song

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http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=7605743&q=hi
This link will take you to a quick mix of Black Dog.
There's some de essing to do - having trouble with that as I can only use spoitfish on 1 track as it seems to cause drop out if used on more.
The track doesn't have ANY percussion. Does it need any?
Comments on the guitar & bass sounds as well as vox most welcome.
 
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Oh, the stuff:
Bruno Royal Artist semi acoustic into an Ibanez Renometre (REALLY old EQ thing) for Boost & Hi Boost into a Marshall Superbass MkII - the distortion is from a combo of the boosts & the tubes I think.
There are two guitar tracks one has an ever so slight delay on it.
The two guitar tracks have slightly diff EQ on them (one has 2 dB boost at 2khz & the other the same at 4kHz).
The bass is direct into a Yamaha MT100 4track.
Terry's vox are treated with filters as per the previous discussion dealing with noise.
Added Blockfish to all vox (vintage vox preset).
A touch of glace verb & Classic Limiter on the outs.
 
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My impressions:

Altough 2 guitar tracks, sounds a bit centered panned yet.What conflicts with voice.I´d try a more hard L/R pan (altough I don´t know the tracks, thats a bit of my guess, then).

Overall mix lacks frequencies below 200 hz.Bass is low (volume) and thin in the "bass guitar" frequencies.Sounds almost like an eletric guitar playing the A and E low strings.


Ciro
 
I like how the vocals are panned really wide...definetly a bit of hisss going on....also like the melody of the vocals , not hearing much bass guitar...I think percussion may help propel this one a little better and give it some edge, as well as a more active bass line....
 
Another classic from PB - I enjoyed this with my morning coffee. Mix sounds pretty good...the bass seems to fade a bit as the song progresses (1:22?). There's a short section around 1:40? where I'd nudge the vocals just a touch to sync them. Latency - I'm sure it's caused a few grey hairs...
The esses aren't as bad as I expected so the blockfish seems to work pretty good....
This reminds me of Let it Roll from one of Clapton's albums. Similar feel with guitars and vocals...


Readers - download this, the SC players is okay but WMP seems to be cleaner...
 
Definitely needs beefing up, Ray. And I would put drums on it. I'm having difficulty trying to make the voice out, 'cos the guitars sound quite bright, although I like their sound. Song is good, once again it reminds of vintage Roxy Music. Maybe some synth sounds would fit in well. Just my 2c, hope it helps. ;)

Joey :):):):)
 
Did you take the song off the SC page? Kept getting a error message, so went directly to your page and couldn't find it. :confused:
 
Sorry folks I'll have to close this thread.
I did a remix based on suggestions & have spend 1 1/2 hrs attempting to update the track on SC. 4 times I've been 90+% there only to get a time out or upload interrupted message - it's only a 2.6meg file after all - I bet I get that calculated against my allowance. This is supposedly ADSL/Broadband & with the countries BIGGEST company - it's not just SC but UTub, Mspace etc etc. I know there are busy times & times better suited but for 2.6 meg? I can't believe how pathetic the system is in Australia.
Sorry, I figured 11am in Aust would make a reasonable time to do it. the only success I've had is in erasing the existing file in the update process.
Rant, rant, whine whine etc - I'm done for the moment - thanks for your patience - we value your custom.
 
WE'RE back!
I've tweaked the existing files in a direction or two as suggested.
I may need to redo the bass, find someone to add drums & see whether re recording the vox is possibel.
The track alignment is as Terry wanted it with a sense of multiple voices in some parts (one of the BV's actually runs some different bits in the lines to make this point).
Any more ideas or comments?
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=7605743&q=hi
CIRO - guitars are panned hard L & R - I've tweaked so they should seem a little diff & there fore sep. now.
QUEEPY - yeah the b-line is pretty mundane & hesitant in parts. We had thought to do this without perc. Didn't even use a drum machine when recording - but it may need it afterall as you've pointed out.
IDO - I've tried to make the bass consistent with automated faders etc. but may have to bite the bullet & rerecord it - this bass track was recorded in '86 or there abouts I think.
Joey - I've tweaked the guitars - retruned some of the b/end I'd rolled off as well as pumping the bass a bit. Added Perc. seems to be a developing consensus...
cmhansen - it's back mate - sorry!
Thanks to all contributors thus far!
 
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Glad to see you got your connection sorted out...that's pretty frustrating.
Your tweaks have helped. The bass seems more consistent and the vocals are more up front. I must say Terry, you have one heck of a high range there. I could only hold that for a second or two but you're pulling off lengthy phrases :cool:.
 
"New" bass guitar helped to "glue" the things, now everything sits better and you have a more well balanced mix.

Ciro
 
Cool. When you get to adding the drum part, maybe some non traditional percussion would work. I huge kettle drum with tons of reverb or congas for instance
 
I like this, man. It's got a cool 60's vibe to it. I can totally picture the western-movie guitar solo and accents with too much reverb.
 
ido1957 - I didn't really get the connection sorted out: I was finally successful on the 10th attempt. I'll have to post another update as I found another vocal track that hadn't arrived by email with the others. That'll be 5 vocal tracks!!!
CIRO - ta mate. I'll have to bite the bullet & re record the bass though as it's a tad hesitant in parts. All I have to do 1st is work out the chord progression - it's amazing what a 22 year gap will do to the mind.
BushmasterM4 - something like Donosaur Jnr used on Not the same from Where You Been? Might work at that - it's a very interesting idea. Now, where do I get timpani for my TR505? Thanks.
Supercreep - thanks mate - it's almost 60's vintage (only missed by 18 years - but I got my 1st transistor radio in the mid 60's so if the song isn't I am - vintage that is). I'll have to talk to my usual collaborators in an attempt to make your idea come to life.
 
I think it definitely needs drums. ;)


It's a good song, but I can't make out the lyrics. I like the triple tracked and hard panned vocal effect, but it's a little distracting when the lyrics are hard to decipher. I like the song though.
 
As usual, another fine Pygmy Beat collaboration. I also agree that a drumtrack is needed and some more instrumention added. Some of the background vocals are smearing the lead vocal-maybe some more 'verb might put then a bit less 'up front'.
 
is it dyg my beat or pygmy beat? guitars are a bit harsh in my opinion. it's too distracting. i like the bass line. i think with a more subtle (flatter) guitar tone it'd more listenable.
 
I like the guitars in the second mix. But I'm still having problems trying to make out the voice, it's still not clear enough to understand and I'd really like to hear your lyrics, 'cos they're always great. The backings sound real freaky but sometimes I feel they're a bit too much, but maybe that's what you're looking for. I'd really like to hear it with drums though....;)

Joey :):):):)
 
Greg_L - thanks mate - I'll have to decide, over the weekend, whether I can get the goods from these vocal takes or have to get a new set recorded.
Anfontan - thankyou kind sir! I'll experiment with rverb on the weekend. I'm drummer hunting as well as experimenting with some recordngs of Timpani & stuff I might be able to use too.
greyharmonix - thanks. the guitars were recorded with a very harsh tone deliberately and I'm slowly emasculating them - but am not keen to go too far.
joeym - thanks mate. I'll work on the vox as mentioned - they are meant to be a little freaky BUT clear nevertheless. Hmm - drums seem to be in order - can't prog any as the beat isn't too constant - didn't use a metronome or drum machine when recording.
 
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