Beware American Musical Supply

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So I'm a little worked up right now. My twelve year old is a big Rush fan. He saves his allowance up for a set of drum sticks (http://www.americanmusical.com/images--i-PRM-PW747W.html). He's wanting them for the 30th anniversary logo to add to his collection. He didn't get them...the on-line store sent something else.

We called...we were told by they support person that the product could change without notice and pointed us to their extensive disclaimer on the website. We followed up with another question, "if the product can change without notice then why the focus and attention to the product detail?" We asked that they provide an immediate refund but were intially denied again citing their disclaimers. We don't take crap so we asked to speak to a manager...the call taker hung up on us.

We called back and firstly asked to speak with a manager and got the same treatment. Drum sticks are cheap...get them anywhere. My son simply wanted what was advertised. Again the manager recited the disclaimers and after fussing a bit with him, he offered to reimburse the costs but only after I threatened to post our purchasing experience here. Screw it...I'll do it anyways.

This may seem a bit petty and I admit to venting a little but, I'm just sick of customer service from these catalog companies. I'm a realist about the whole thing and suspect that all the other on-line sites have a similar procedure built in but I'm sick of it...to me it's all about how the situation was handled. I can understand stock depletion and stuff but why not just let the buyer know before the transaction is completed to give us a chance to make some other choices instead of trying to pull this bait and switch shit!?

As soon as you assume I'm a dumb ass, and try to pull something over on me, I'm going to screw you in anyway I can and hold a vengance that will never be satisfied. All this over a lousy pair of drum sticks...was it worth it American Musical Supply?

OK...I'm feeling better now.

Thanks
 
I don't think you're being petty at all. If you order what is advertized they should send you that item or refund your money.

Maybe I'll give a call!!
 
Just shot em an email and I suggest others do the same. This is unacceptable treatment!! In this age of technology, this should get around. Spread the word folks!
 
AMS and Musicians Friend are
"THE WALLMARTS" of Etailer Music stores.
Try asking any one of those so called experts on the phone a good question.
They will probably ask you if you want frys with your order.
 
Well...I'm thinking I would NEVER buy something serious like a mic or pre from a place like that but come on!...drum sticks! ...You post a pic...add a description and insert the asking price. How hard can that be? If you don't have it, you don't have it...FINE, but instead, when you screw the deal up, lets finish it off by insulting the customer and bantering over a few lousy bucks as if it were going to break the bank. In the end, he did get what he didn't want for free but for cryin' out loud...did we have to do this lousy dance!

I thank this company for helping me to teach my son, and the next generation of American business owners, how customer service and business ethics work in the real world.

I'm going to have to find a way to let go arent' I?

I'm off the soap box...thanks for the support and, if I'm wrong...I'm ok with that too.

Good night.
 
i've actually never had a problem with them before.
that sucks though, they seem like douchebags.
 
Darn

Punkin- sorry to hear it - I only wish you would've posted BEFORE I purchased my first order from them yesterday. They had the best price, free shipping, and the product in stock.

The kid who took my phone order wasn't anywhere near where the product shipped from (NJ), which many companies do these days. I asked if they carried Lexicon and he asked me to spell it. Not a good sign. :(

I called back an hour later to add to my order but it had already been processed and shipped. I was shocked - I just hope now that it's the right order.

I really hope they straighten things out for your son. Mistakes will happen, but it's the company's job to set things right, which I hope they will do for you. Even if a company has a policy in place to cover their butts, customer satisfaction is more important. I'm sure the higher-ups at AMS know this, but sometimes these telecommuters don't know any better.
 
Just got a reply back. Check this out!

Quote:

Thank you for your e-mail. I do apologize but we do not treat our customers like this. We go out of our way to make all of our customer happy. If you could give us the father or Childs name or any information we would be happy to check into this. Any other questions please feel free to contact us.
Thank You,
Diane
AMS Customer Service

custserve@americanmusical.com

End:

I think you need to reply back to this and paste this in the email. Maybe you'll get satisfaction.

I can't get no
Satisfaction
 
They completely Blow!

Twice I have had them send me advertisments etc and then they claim they don't stock it.. Below is a little exchange I had with them tonight. Now keep in mind I have spent thousands of dollars with them over the last few years... They are complete morons... Start at the bottom:


Ryan,
Nice response. Please send this on to the president of your organization for
his review. I suggest that you actually do forward it, as I will be calling
him in the morning before we file. You might also pull my customer record
for the last five years and review with him how much equipment I have
procured from your organization.
Regards,
Eric ----- Original Message -----
From: <custserve@americanmusical.com>
To: <@vectorlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: For the second time.. (eo646873)


> Thank you for your email. I was reading the sections that you have
provided below. The statement on the web site is there for only one reason,
and that is to help you make a choice. We are informing you that there is a
product out there that may be in your interest. We do not advertise this
item, nor do we in any way tell you that we carry it as one of our products.
It is in good nature, not in a deceptive manner, that we inform you that we
may not have the best item available. I apologize for any misunderstanding,
but I do not see how helping people is unlawful.
> Thank You,
> Ryan
> AMS Customer Service
>
> -------------
> > On Tuesday, May 09, 2006 7:42:00 PM, e@vectorlink.net wrote:
> >
> > I have been a customer of yours for several years now. And now for the
> > second time, you advertise items for sale that are not available
> > according to Ryan in your customer service department. The item I am
> > referring to is the Behringer B215A amplified speaker which is referred
> > to on the main item page of your Behringer B215 speaker on your site.
> > I would like you to read the following which is from the State of Texas
> > Deceptive Trade Practices Statute which is in effect in the State of
> > Texas where for all practical purposes they will respond strongly to a
> > complaint from a consumer about an out of state internet based vendor:
> > (Pay close attention to Sections 10 and 11).
> >
> > "=A7 17.46. DECEPTIVE TRADE PRACTICES UNLAWFUL. (a) False,
> > misleading, or deceptive acts or practices in the conduct of any
> > trade or commerce are hereby declared unlawful and are subject to
> > action by the consumer protection division under Sections 17.47,
> > 17.58, 17.60, and 17.61 of this code.
> > .(b) Except as provided in Subsection (d) of this section,
> > the term "false, misleading, or deceptive acts or practices"
> > includes, but is not limited to, the following acts:
> > ..(1) passing off goods or services as those of another;
> >
> > ..(2) causing confusion or misunderstanding as to the
> > source, sponsorship, approval, or certification of goods or
> > services;
> > ..(3) causing confusion or misunderstanding as to
> > affiliation, connection, or association with, or certification by,
> > another;
> > ..(4) using deceptive representations or designations
> > of geographic origin in connection with goods or services;
> > ..(5) representing that goods or services have
> > sponsorship, approval, characteristics, ingredients, uses,
> > benefits, or quantities which they do not have or that a person has
> > a sponsorship, approval, status, affiliation, or connection which
> > he does not;
> > ..(6) representing that goods are original or new if
> > they are deteriorated, reconditioned, reclaimed, used, or
> > secondhand;
> > ..(7) representing that goods or services are of a
> > particular standard, quality, or grade, or that goods are of a
> > particular style or model, if they are of another;
> > ..(8) disparaging the goods, services, or business of
> > another by false or misleading representation of facts;
> > ..(9) advertising goods or services with intent not to
> > sell them as advertised;
> > ..(10) advertising goods or services with intent not to
> > supply a reasonable expectable public demand, unless the
> > advertisements disclosed a limitation of quantity;
> > ..(11) making false or misleading statements of fact
> > concerning the reasons for, existence of, or amount of price
> > reductions;
> > ..(12) representing that an agreement confers or
> > involves rights, remedies, or obligations which it does not have or
> > involve, or which are prohibited by law;
> > ..(13) knowingly making false or misleading statements
> > of fact concerning the need for parts, replacement, or repair
> > service;
> > ..(14) misrepresenting the authority of a salesman,
> > representative or agent to negotiate the final terms of a consumer
> > transaction;
> >
> > I will be interested in your response, as I would rather
> > just be able to get the item you reference in your advertisments at a
> > fair price as I'm a long term customer. I also would like you to
> > actually train your CSR's how to handle objections about items that are
> > not carried by your organization even though you advertise them.
> >
> > Regards,
> > > > Waller, Texas
> >
> > PS: Section 17.50 also outlines relief available to consumers in Texas.
> >
> > =A7 17.50. RELIEF FOR CONSUMERS. (a) A consumer may
> > maintain an action where any of the following constitute a
> > producing cause of economic damages or damages for mental anguish:
> > ..(1) the use or employment by any person of a false,
> > misleading, or deceptive act or practice that is:
> > ...(A) specifically enumerated in a subdivision of
> > Subsection (b) of Section 17.46 of this subchapter; and
> > ...(B) relied on by a consumer to the consumer's
> > detriment;
> > ..(2) breach of an express or implied warranty;
> >
> > ..(3) any unconscionable action or course of action by
> > any person; or
> > ..(4) the use or employment by any person of an act or
> > practice in violation of Chapter 541, Insurance Code.
> > .(b) In a suit filed under this section, each consumer who
> > prevails may obtain:
> > ..(1) the amount of economic damages found by the trier
> > of fact. If the trier of fact finds that the conduct of the
> > defendant was committed knowingly, the consumer may also recover
> > damages for mental anguish, as found by the trier of fact, and the
> > trier of fact may award not more than three times the amount of
> > economic damages; or if the trier of fact finds the conduct was
> > committed intentionally, the consumer may recover damages for
> > mental anguish, as found by the trier of fact, and the trier of fact
> > may award not more than three times the amount of damages for mental
> > anguish and economic damages;
> > ..(2) an order enjoining such acts or failure to act;
> >
> > ..(3) orders necessary to restore to any party to the
> > suit any money or property, real or personal, which may have been
> > acquired in violation of this subchapter; and
> > ..(4) any other relief which the court deems proper,
> > including the appointment of a receiver or the revocation of a
> > license or certificate authorizing a person to engage in business
> > in this state if the judgment has not been satisfied within three
> > months of the date of the final judgment. The court may not revoke
> > or suspend a license to do business in this state or appoint a
> > receiver to take over the affairs of a person who has failed to
> > satisfy a judgment if the person is a licensee of or regulated by a
> > state agency which has statutory authority to revoke or suspend a
> > license or to appoint a receiver or trustee. Costs and fees of such
> > receivership or other relief shall be assessed against the
> defendant.
>
> ---
 
I think it must be a common practice for these companies to ship out substitute merch when they're out of stock on the ordered item(s). And then they make it a real PAIN IN YER ASS to return it, maybe thinking that X number of people will say 'screw it, too much of a hassle', and keep what they didn't order. I have two words, CREDIT CARD. They fuck up, you don't pay. Simple as that.

My story is when I ordered a Paiste Signature Ride from 8th Street Music. They sent me a different Paiste ride instead, yeah, substituting a 350.00 product! The ride they sent was a specialty ride that couldn't be compared to what I ordered. A manager I talked to actually said to me "Are you sure the ride we sent won't work for you", like he should of just said "Listen chump, shut up and just take what we send you, why don't you". Ended up being a REAL HASSLE to get my money back. I was VERY UNHAPPY.

Guess what, I spend many thousands a year on gear and I don't even go to 8th Street online for a price comp anymore. ;)
 
Too bad to hear. I have spent about $1000 with them since November 05, I was shipped a drum set with no top/choke to the hat stand/pedal. I told them the situation, they sent me to the wharehouse supervisor who said he would hunt around and see if there was a loose one to send. A couple of days later he called me back and said he couldn't find one but would order one for me. A week later I received a full top to bottom hat stand/pedal/choke - no extra charge, I was quite happy.
 
I have spent thousands at Musicians Friend..........
On the rare accoassions when something is not right, I call them (24/7), and an intelligent, friendly English speaking person answers quickly....

They always issue me a Fedex pickup form via email, and credit my return the same day they receive it. NEVER A QUESTION ASKED.

I have never had a bad experience. Of course, I treat the person on the other end of the phone the way I would like to be treated.... Maybe that's the key...

That, and employees that are empowered to make decisions.... ;)

I have only ever had good experiences w/ MF. (about 50 of them now....)
 
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