maxman65
Member
Sorry my mistake 2.4ghz i5 6300u laptop. Pc is 3.4ghz to 4ghz turboboost
Steenamaroo
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Ok, the 6700 is a good deal more capable than a 6300u. It's a decent upgrade.
Just take heed of the advice here, though. It's important to know what caused the problem in order to fix it.
If your issue was the hard drive not being able to provide the samples quickly enough, or running out of ram,
a faster CPU won't help.
If you do what bouldersoundguy recommended there, you'll know for sure.
Just take heed of the advice here, though. It's important to know what caused the problem in order to fix it.
If your issue was the hard drive not being able to provide the samples quickly enough, or running out of ram,
a faster CPU won't help.
If you do what bouldersoundguy recommended there, you'll know for sure.
maxman65
Member
Many thanks I'll try figure out how to do that . I suspect though it's the processor that simply can't keep up with fast spicatto repeats . By today's standards the laptop would be considered generally underpowered for vst
rob aylestone
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If they can keep up with fast hi hats, spicatto strings isnt that tricky
bouldersoundguy
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There are several ways to open Task Manager. Type it in the search bar, right click the Task Bar, type Win-X (using the Windows key) are three that I can think of.
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Serendipity Records
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It seems to me that modern sample libraries are specifically designed for use with modern computers. Anything more than 3-4 years old is bound to run into trouble.
Keep in mind that while these big libraries are available for anyone who has money to buy them, they are aimed at high-rolling Hollywood composers, who have the latest tech up and running because they can afford it.
Keep in mind that while these big libraries are available for anyone who has money to buy them, they are aimed at high-rolling Hollywood composers, who have the latest tech up and running because they can afford it.
Chili
Site Moderator
Does the issue happen while you're playing on a midi controller? Like it can't keep up with you?
maxman65
Member
It crackles on fast repeats. I find turning the library reverb to zero helps a bit . But basically it just can't handle the information the CPU is too underpowered. The controller is a Yamaha modx it's connected via a usb 2.0 cable
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Chili
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There is a minimum spec which requires a 4-core processor and you have a 2-core processor, so upgrading to a corei7 4-core should improve things a lot.
Minimum: Intel Core 2.8GHz i5 (quad-core) or AMD Ryzen 5, 8GB RAM
Recommended: Intel 2.8GHzi7 (six-core) or AMD R7 2700, 16GB RAM
64-bit DAW required (32-bit DAWs not supported)
But even with a better processor, you should be looking at buffer size for the ASIO. Which host software are you using? Set the buffer to 1024 samples. That is where you'll get the most improvement. There is a trade-off in buffer size and lag time. With a high sample buffer, like 1024, you might notice a delay in playing. You can lower the number and find a happy medium between no glitching and no delay.
Here is a video from their website that shows you what I'm referring to.
spitfireaudio.zendesk.com
Minimum: Intel Core 2.8GHz i5 (quad-core) or AMD Ryzen 5, 8GB RAM
Recommended: Intel 2.8GHzi7 (six-core) or AMD R7 2700, 16GB RAM
64-bit DAW required (32-bit DAWs not supported)
But even with a better processor, you should be looking at buffer size for the ASIO. Which host software are you using? Set the buffer to 1024 samples. That is where you'll get the most improvement. There is a trade-off in buffer size and lag time. With a high sample buffer, like 1024, you might notice a delay in playing. You can lower the number and find a happy medium between no glitching and no delay.
Here is a video from their website that shows you what I'm referring to.
How to Optimize Spitfire Audio Solo Strings
spitfireaudio.zendesk.com
maxman65
Member
Great will do . Many thanks . I'm using cubase elements ai 12 . Spicatto isn't really responsive enough on latency for a fast tight repeated attack I've also come across latency on vst pianos particularly. Sort of like trying to negotiate a keyboard via a can of soup . Very strange experience . Abandoned those
Chili
Site Moderator
I was just thinking, if you are recording your midi with the Yamaha and using the Spitfire plug-in to listen in real time, you should use the audio generated from the Yamaha to listen to as your recording and record the midi. Then when you play it back, mute the recorded audio from the Yamaha and listen to just the Spitfire plug. This way, you can set your buffer to any size and it won't matter. It won't glitch when you record and it won't glitch when you play it back.
In other words, don't even assign the spitfire plug when recording the track. That way your computer is not trying to play it in real time when recording. Your Yamaha looks to be a great keyboard and it's probably got a patch that resembles the spitfire, Just use that as a guide for recording. Then after all your midi tracks are recorded, assign the Spitfire as needed and set the buffer to a high number.
In other words, don't even assign the spitfire plug when recording the track. That way your computer is not trying to play it in real time when recording. Your Yamaha looks to be a great keyboard and it's probably got a patch that resembles the spitfire, Just use that as a guide for recording. Then after all your midi tracks are recorded, assign the Spitfire as needed and set the buffer to a high number.
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ecc83
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Maxman, have you told us what audio interface you are using or has this old duffer missed that?
For sure you need a fast CPU and plenty of ram but AIs vary greatly in their latency potential, really down to how good the ASIO drivers are.
You are not SURELY trying to run on the laptop's internal soundcard?!
The absolute dog's whatsits for ultra low USB latency is RME but I own two far less expensive interfaces that are very good. The Native Instruments KA6 and even better a MOTU M4.
Folkcafe: Not like you to get the 'ump so quickly? Are you otherwise well sir?
Dave.
For sure you need a fast CPU and plenty of ram but AIs vary greatly in their latency potential, really down to how good the ASIO drivers are.
You are not SURELY trying to run on the laptop's internal soundcard?!
The absolute dog's whatsits for ultra low USB latency is RME but I own two far less expensive interfaces that are very good. The Native Instruments KA6 and even better a MOTU M4.
Folkcafe: Not like you to get the 'ump so quickly? Are you otherwise well sir?
Dave.
maxman65
Member
Many thanks I'll to figure it out it's a bit over my head . Basically the laptop asks to choose between a generic driver or the Yamaha modx driver which it sees so I select that one
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ecc83
Well-known member
Ah! Just looked up that synth. It is a full blown USB interface, odd however that Yammies owning Steinberg that it does not have a bang up super ASIO driver?
Might be wrong but I would bet a good interface would beat it for latency?
Dave.
maxman65
Member
Ok.Can they be installed on the computer . Can you select it over the Yamaha one
Steenamaroo
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I can understand it. PC troubleshooting threads really need specs and facts, and a methodical approach.
The majority I see get there in the end by guess work more than anything.
OP has satisfied himself that the CPU is the issue and, it seems, just wants confirmation that X cpu is better than Y,
but it took quite a bit of tooth-pulling to even get model numbers for the CPUs.
Looking at storage read/write speeds, software buffer sizes, recent updates, version compatibility, drivers, etc, is all good stuff,
but details on current specs and a screenshot of performance monitor when under load can to provide a foundation for further troubleshooting.
maxman65
Member
Hi I don't know how to run these kind of tests . Looks like I'm under minimum spec as stated by spitfire even on their entry level libraries. If a computer is set up to go I can use it otherwise I'm virtually computer illiterate
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ecc83
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Yes and yes but, don't go buying anything on my say so! I am probably as much a computer dunce as you think you are and my dabbles have only ever been small in scale (i.e. I don't have massive sample libraries)
Have a look at a few YT demos and the threads here about interfaces and consider. I think you would find a modest AI such a my M4 would add quite a bit to the flexibility of your setup but do your homework and take advice.
Dave.
maxman65
Member
Many thanks. Will try . are these hardware devices I don't know anything about it
bouldersoundguy
Well-known member
I described three ways to open Task Manager. Just open it, go to the Performance tab, run your MIDI thing until the problem appears, look at the graphs to see what resource maxed out. If the Performance tab isn't already showing a column of graphs down the left side, right-click to change it.