leddy
Well-known member
It's not about discouraging someone from learning here. It's separating the ones who want to learn from the rest.
For every pro on this board, there are about 1,000 guys who get a cracked version of Waves and think they are a mastering guru because they can strap a limiter on their "beats" and makes them louder. Like the bad singers on American Idol who honestly have no idea that they can't sing, and lash out at the judges when they are told the truth. It's a slap in the face to those who have really paid dues. We live in a society where a learned skill is not as valued as it used to be. It's sickening to those that have made real sacrifices to aquire knowledge.
Even if some of those folks got cranky about it (and most do not), they would probably have that right sometimes.
That corny bit is from a Sweetwater catalog.
dobro
Well-known member
And you think that's your job?
kcearl
I see deaf people
he's brilliant at it...all I hear in that MP3 clinic is wannabes cranking up their beats wif da wave cracks
sort 'em out leddy, save us all
sort 'em out leddy, save us all
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Nobody needs to separate out the human chaff from the wheat, they do it themselves by their reactions to the answers they get.
It's amazing how many people who ask questions apparently already know the answers so well that they can tell what they answers are supposed to be before they ask them
. If you know what the answer is supposed to be, then don't ask the freakin' question.
It's also amazing how many folks would rather get their answers from those who are as clueless as they are than from someone who is actually in a position to know the answers. The truth is those folks are not really interested in getting their questions answered, they just want comfort in knowing that they are not the only ones who are still learning.
As if there were something wrong with still learning. There isn't, you know. There's no reason to get pissed off at those who just so happen to be ahead of you on that path, that's just hoew things go.
No matter who you are, there will always be someone who was there before you. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's no percentage in getting pissed at them and calling them elitist just because that's the way the cookie crumbled.
It's only when you stop walking the path and decide that you've gone far enough that you have someone to blame, and that certainly isn't the other guy.
G.
It's amazing how many people who ask questions apparently already know the answers so well that they can tell what they answers are supposed to be before they ask them
. If you know what the answer is supposed to be, then don't ask the freakin' question.It's also amazing how many folks would rather get their answers from those who are as clueless as they are than from someone who is actually in a position to know the answers. The truth is those folks are not really interested in getting their questions answered, they just want comfort in knowing that they are not the only ones who are still learning.
As if there were something wrong with still learning. There isn't, you know. There's no reason to get pissed off at those who just so happen to be ahead of you on that path, that's just hoew things go.
No matter who you are, there will always be someone who was there before you. There's nothing wrong with that, and there's no percentage in getting pissed at them and calling them elitist just because that's the way the cookie crumbled.
It's only when you stop walking the path and decide that you've gone far enough that you have someone to blame, and that certainly isn't the other guy.
G.
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NYMorningstar
Recording Modus Operandi
I just come here to get ma car reapolstered.
kcearl
I see deaf people
vinyl sales are going steadily up over the last few years...maybe that quality is seeping back in 
leddy
Well-known member
Not at all, forgive the poor choice of words, and I certainly don't consider myself one of the pros.
I didn't intend for my post to sound so mean-spirited.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Most newbies are intimidated to begin with, so they miss the purpose of the plain-n-simple "truth" answers that they get...and often, it's their own lack of knowledge and experience that creates this confusion and belief that they are getting hammered by the pros (or some such nonsense) when the answers they receive are difficult to understand or follow-through on.
The only newbies I have a problem with are the ones who are convinced there are always EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS to almost everything...and they just pout and get pissy when you try and point out the error of their perceptions...or their self-denial kicks in and they explain it all by saying they are NOT trying to achieve a pro product, so can we PLEASE give them the EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS!!!
We were all newbies at one time...
My father use to always tell me...whatever you do, do it right, even if you're doing something that's wrong!
And an old friend use to say..."neatness counts"...which may sound a bit feminine,
but I really DO get his point.
Don't be sloppy in your work...it's usually the little "loose ends" that make the difference.
Soooooooo dear newbies...you have to understand that for those of us who are really into this audio stuff and have been doing it a long time....there really ARE only certain ways to do something even when you may have several options.
IOW...all the options may be valid...but the manner in which you apply them must also be valid at all times...DON'T CHEAT YOURSELVES by just looking for EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS.
It only becomes easy through doing it the right way.
And that concludes this Sunday sermon....go in peace.
(Nothing like a good bagel and cup of coffee to churn up some audio philosophy).
Terry Wetzel – Can you throw some line-breaks and CAPS in your posts. It’s real hard to read them as they are.
Guys…Terry’s just getting started with all this stuff…go easy on him.
The only newbies I have a problem with are the ones who are convinced there are always EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS to almost everything...and they just pout and get pissy when you try and point out the error of their perceptions...or their self-denial kicks in and they explain it all by saying they are NOT trying to achieve a pro product, so can we PLEASE give them the EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS!!!
We were all newbies at one time...
My father use to always tell me...whatever you do, do it right, even if you're doing something that's wrong!
And an old friend use to say..."neatness counts"...which may sound a bit feminine,
but I really DO get his point. Don't be sloppy in your work...it's usually the little "loose ends" that make the difference.
Soooooooo dear newbies...you have to understand that for those of us who are really into this audio stuff and have been doing it a long time....there really ARE only certain ways to do something even when you may have several options.
IOW...all the options may be valid...but the manner in which you apply them must also be valid at all times...DON'T CHEAT YOURSELVES by just looking for EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS.
It only becomes easy through doing it the right way.
And that concludes this Sunday sermon....go in peace.
(Nothing like a good bagel and cup of coffee to churn up some audio philosophy).
Terry Wetzel – Can you throw some line-breaks and CAPS in your posts. It’s real hard to read them as they are.
Guys…Terry’s just getting started with all this stuff…go easy on him.
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EZWriter
New member
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Terry Wetzel
New member
Hi, I'm just ignorant when it comes to participating in "blogs". I guess that is what the posts on these forums are called? anyway, i was told that capital letters inferr screaming at someonee and i never scream! bare with me, i've got a lot to learn.Most newbies are intimidated to begin with, so they miss the purpose of the plain-n-simple "truth" answers that they get...and often, it's their own lack of knowledge and experience that creates this confusion and belief that they are getting hammered by the pros (or some such nonsense) when the answers they receive are difficult to understand or follow-through on.
The only newbies I have a problem with are the ones who are convinced there are always EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS to almost everything...and they just pout and get pissy when you try and point out the error of their perceptions...or their self-denial kicks in and they explain it all by saying they are NOT trying to achieve a pro product, so can we PLEASE give them the EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS!!!
We were all newbies at one time...
My father use to always tell me...whatever you do, do it right, even if you're doing something that's wrong!
And an old friend use to say..."neatness counts"...which may sound a bit feminine,
Don't be sloppy in your work...it's usually the little "loose ends" that make the difference.
Soooooooo dear newbies...you have to understand that for those of us who are really into this audio stuff and have been doing it a long time....there really ARE only certain ways to do something even when you may have several options.
IOW...all the options may be valid...but the manner in which you apply them must also be valid at all times...DON'T CHEAT YOURSELVES by just looking for EASY, CHEAP SHORTCUTS.
It only becomes easy through doing it the right way.
And that concludes this Sunday sermon....go in peace.
(Nothing like a good bagel and cup of coffee to churn up some audio philosophy).
Terry Wetzel – Can you throw some line-breaks and CAPS in your posts. It’s real hard to read them as they are.
Guys…Terry’s just getting started with all this stuff…go easy on him.
T
Terry Wetzel
New member
thanks for the words of support southside glenn. I've become hesitant to post threads and answers because and invariably some pin head jumps on what you say and attempts to assisnate you with degrading, filthy language and nonsense rebuttal. what is happening to civilization?Hi Terry!
Why my thoughts specifically?
I have no problem with the track you're taking, Terry. A great number of us here cut out teeth with or operate with such setups. I went through a 4-track open-reel tape deck and two cassette portastudios before I ever moved to the world of analog/digital hybrid with the (then) high-tech ADAT recorders on the back end of an analog mixer. So there's nothing wrong with what you're doing, IMHO.
And it seems to me that a Masterlink would be a fine final link in your chain to create the digital masters from your mixdowns. I have no issues with that.
G.
WhiteStrat
Don't stare at the eye.
Try not to let it bring you down, Terry. There are certainly plenty of pinheads around here--I'm probably one in some people's eyes. In any case, I'm glad you're here. I know you've been at the music gig for a long time, and I look forward to hearing from you.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
I hear ya, Terry. It's called the "Internet 2.0 mentality", whose core beliefs are that all opinions are created equal, even when they come from ignorance, that the first amendment is no longer a right to be treated with respect but rather an opportunity to be abused, and a belief that that one's own rights supersede the rights of others.
Hang on just a little while, Terry; Internet 3.0 is evolving pretty quickly, where the focus is going back to quality of information instead of quantity.
G.
masteringhouse
www.masteringhouse.com
Terry, I agree with your statement, what has happened to civility and respect?
When people post misinformed statements like:
i kinda agree with this and have encountered the same general "we know more than you and we will do what we can to discourage you from learning it!"
about professionals in the audio field and personally I get far more offended than any foul language that I've read here.
I see John, Tommy W., Harvey, Glen, and many others present and who are now long gone post great information regarding mastering and recording techniques. One has to do their homework not rely on some magic formula. Learn to use search and not depend on the latest post or post the same topic that's already been answered several times.
The first step in learning how to master is learning what the issues are. This takes some time with regard to being able to identify things like phase problems, EQ that helps to balance and focus a mix, type of compression and limiting that allow a mix to breath but still "compete", spacial issues, etc. These skills do not come in a plug-in, you have to work at it.
The first thing expense before any plug-in or DAW is getting a monitoring system that reveals flaws in a mix versus one that either flatters the mix or is not full range. You can't master what you can't hear. Next I would practice with an EQ, be able to identify frequency ranges in octaves, both boosts and cuts. Next listen to various types of compression and limiting and how it affects a mix.
Once you have some of these rudimentary skills listen to different mixes both good and bad, be able to determine why one sounds better than another. Learn the qualities of a good versus bad mix and mastering job.
Then listen to your mixes and do the same. What is lacking in the mix? How does one mix compare with another? From there process, assemble, listen, and repeat until you're happy with the result.
That's pretty much learning how to master in a nutshell.
When people post misinformed statements like:
i kinda agree with this and have encountered the same general "we know more than you and we will do what we can to discourage you from learning it!"
about professionals in the audio field and personally I get far more offended than any foul language that I've read here.
I see John, Tommy W., Harvey, Glen, and many others present and who are now long gone post great information regarding mastering and recording techniques. One has to do their homework not rely on some magic formula. Learn to use search and not depend on the latest post or post the same topic that's already been answered several times.
The first step in learning how to master is learning what the issues are. This takes some time with regard to being able to identify things like phase problems, EQ that helps to balance and focus a mix, type of compression and limiting that allow a mix to breath but still "compete", spacial issues, etc. These skills do not come in a plug-in, you have to work at it.
The first thing expense before any plug-in or DAW is getting a monitoring system that reveals flaws in a mix versus one that either flatters the mix or is not full range. You can't master what you can't hear. Next I would practice with an EQ, be able to identify frequency ranges in octaves, both boosts and cuts. Next listen to various types of compression and limiting and how it affects a mix.
Once you have some of these rudimentary skills listen to different mixes both good and bad, be able to determine why one sounds better than another. Learn the qualities of a good versus bad mix and mastering job.
Then listen to your mixes and do the same. What is lacking in the mix? How does one mix compare with another? From there process, assemble, listen, and repeat until you're happy with the result.
That's pretty much learning how to master in a nutshell.
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silvercn
New member
A good response from Leddy - Self Mastering
Hi - I read Leddy's response and heard myself there ! Listening to my home mastered" CDs on a variety of normal listening "venues" such as a couple of car stereos, a couple of computer speaker systems, etc. and take written and /or mental notes of what needs to be tweaked, and go back to my home studio. CDs are cheap enough and my own time is free. I went through this discussion at length with some guys on a Calkwalk forum. I mentioned that for my purpose of creating my CD for friends, relatives and some co-workers, things sound pretty damn good doing it this way on my own.....one step at a time. I have never had a listen respond with: "Oh wow you did not have your music mastered by a mastering studio!!!!!
As to the topic of getting all songs to blend well in terms of level, and other factors, I have liked Pyro Audio Creator okay since with that I can put several songs on one track, and divide them up with markers, which later translates to seperate tracks on a CD. That way all being on the same track, I can apply a volume envelope across all songs, and some final compression and / or limiting too the entire array of songs for a very uniform sound on the final CD.
Hi - I read Leddy's response and heard myself there ! Listening to my home mastered" CDs on a variety of normal listening "venues" such as a couple of car stereos, a couple of computer speaker systems, etc. and take written and /or mental notes of what needs to be tweaked, and go back to my home studio. CDs are cheap enough and my own time is free. I went through this discussion at length with some guys on a Calkwalk forum. I mentioned that for my purpose of creating my CD for friends, relatives and some co-workers, things sound pretty damn good doing it this way on my own.....one step at a time. I have never had a listen respond with: "Oh wow you did not have your music mastered by a mastering studio!!!!!
As to the topic of getting all songs to blend well in terms of level, and other factors, I have liked Pyro Audio Creator okay since with that I can put several songs on one track, and divide them up with markers, which later translates to seperate tracks on a CD. That way all being on the same track, I can apply a volume envelope across all songs, and some final compression and / or limiting too the entire array of songs for a very uniform sound on the final CD.
