Everybody
Hail Santa
which one!?!?! just the head, and then buy a cab...or the combo!?!
edit...im a dumbass
edit...im a dumbass
Roguetitan
New member
I was talking about the peavey XXX combo I would get it.
Roguetitan
New member
IDK the head looks good too and a good price
if you can find a nice half stack 412 cab for that head you would have a really nice rig
if you can find a nice half stack 412 cab for that head you would have a really nice rig
Everybody
Hail Santa
damn...just talked to my friend, he said that he wont have the money in 3 hours so that head is out...
he also said he wants more than a combo because he wants to be heard during band practice with another guitaist drummer and bassist..
so basically its back to 5150 (sketchy cause its ebay) or.....the randall stack ehhh
he also said he wants more than a combo because he wants to be heard during band practice with another guitaist drummer and bassist..
so basically its back to 5150 (sketchy cause its ebay) or.....the randall stack ehhh
Tadpui
Well-known member
Most of these options are going to be expensive, but maybe you can shop around and get lucky and find something used:
-Peavey 5150 / 6505
-Peavey 5150 II / 6505+
-Peavey XXX
-Peavey JSX
-Peavey ValveKing
(no I don't have an endorsement deal with Peavey
)
-Mesa DC5
-Mesa MarkIV (I just checked eBay and these are friggin expensive)
- Krank amps (no particular model in mind but there are a couple < $1000)
Let your friend know that just because its a stack doesn't mean that it's going to be any louder than a combo. There are lots of combo amps out there that can peel the paint off the wall. As with any amp, if its not loud enough, mic it!
-Peavey 5150 / 6505
-Peavey 5150 II / 6505+
-Peavey XXX
-Peavey JSX
-Peavey ValveKing
(no I don't have an endorsement deal with Peavey
)-Mesa DC5
-Mesa MarkIV (I just checked eBay and these are friggin expensive)
- Krank amps (no particular model in mind but there are a couple < $1000)
Let your friend know that just because its a stack doesn't mean that it's going to be any louder than a combo. There are lots of combo amps out there that can peel the paint off the wall. As with any amp, if its not loud enough, mic it!
Roguetitan
New member
take a look at the Peavey Windsor
100 all tube watts and comes with a 412 cab for 400 bucks
I guarantee you it will blow the randall amp away
I have played through this amp and it sounds fantastic
Biggest bang for the buck without a doubt
click on image
Tadpui
Well-known member
Do you think that the Windsor will do death metal though? I guess with the right pedal to suppliment its preamp gain it can do anything. I guess the speakers would be the limiting factor. They'd have to be able to reproduce the tight, staccato chugging of death metal palm mutes without getting floppy or mushy. That's where my Traynor amp fails, partially due to the Celestion 70/80 speakers and partially due to the design of the amp itself. It does a great Black Sabbath metal but it just can't respond quickly to chugga-chugga palm muting. Good think I don't do chugga-chugga shit any more 
Roguetitan
New member
Most of these options are going to be expensive, but maybe you can shop around and get lucky and find something used:
-Peavey 5150 / 6505
-Peavey 5150 II / 6505+
-Peavey XXX
-Peavey JSX
-Peavey ValveKing
(no I don't have an endorsement deal with Peavey
-Mesa DC5
-Mesa MarkIV (I just checked eBay and these are friggin expensive)
- Krank amps (no particular model in mind but there are a couple < $1000)
Let your friend know that just because its a stack doesn't mean that it's going to be any louder than a combo. There are lots of combo amps out there that can peel the paint off the wall. As with any amp, if its not loud enough, mic it!
absolutley and the triple x will peel the paint
I absolutley agree with you 100%
we use no amps at all live we use V-Amp pro rack mount Pre amps with L and R XLR outs;one goes to the main mixing console the other goes to the IEM console.
but the stage speakers are 2 versaarray 118 subs and stacked 4 high with dual versa array ribbon speakers on each side of the stage and 8 1500 watt Peavey power amps so we can make the audiences ears bleed if we want
Roguetitan
New member
Do you think that the Windsor will do death metal though? I guess with the right pedal to suppliment its preamp gain it can do anything. I guess the speakers would be the limiting factor. They'd have to be able to reproduce the tight, staccato chugging of death metal palm mutes without getting floppy or mushy. That's where my Traynor amp fails, partially due to the Celestion 70/80 speakers and partially due to the design of the amp itself. It does a great Black Sabbath metal but it just can't respond quickly to chugga-chugga palm muting. Good think I don't do chugga-chugga shit any more
will do any genre of music you want to do
my sondoes hard core metal with a crate V33h and a 212 cab and is plenty loud
I am in a Rush cover band and we play through no guitar amps at all.
as long as you have a pedal you can shape the tone any way you need.
Everybody
Hail Santa
Thanks! Im deffinatly gonna keep my eyes on some of those less expensive models =]
I looked at the windsor earlier actually, just thought the price was sketch, and it got some bad reviews..
he said hed rather dish out the "close to $1000" for an amp that hell have for 5+ years that sounds great*, than buy an okay amp for half the price, but end up having to buy another one in a few years cause it goes bad or he wants a better sound.
*-relating to death metal standards lol
I looked at the windsor earlier actually, just thought the price was sketch, and it got some bad reviews..
he said hed rather dish out the "close to $1000" for an amp that hell have for 5+ years that sounds great*, than buy an okay amp for half the price, but end up having to buy another one in a few years cause it goes bad or he wants a better sound.
*-relating to death metal standards lol
J
Jason43
New member
Your friend doesn't need a stack to be heard. A 50+ tube combo will be heard. If he feels the need, he can add an extension cab later when he can afford it.
I own a Valveking, its mediocre for metal. There are better cheap, tube amps that are voiced more for metal. Windsors would be even worse for death metal, since they're more of a classic hard rock sound. Bugera's are supposed to sound decent for metal. A used 5150, 6505 or XXX would also be a decent option.
I own a Valveking, its mediocre for metal. There are better cheap, tube amps that are voiced more for metal. Windsors would be even worse for death metal, since they're more of a classic hard rock sound. Bugera's are supposed to sound decent for metal. A used 5150, 6505 or XXX would also be a decent option.
Everybody
Hail Santa
Ohh, alright, ill tell him that then, what types of combos would you suggest then?
I also looked at bugera but it got bashed for being related to behringer and a rip of the jsx, also people said while the tone was actually good, it didnt last more than 2 years without something going wrong..
Can you tell me what other cheaper tube amps for metal your talking about?
S
sarge117
New member
I recommend the 6505 series. As others have mentioned, it is the new name for the 5150 series since Eddie left Peavey.
This things sole purpose in life is metal, and it does it very well!
Here is a 212 combo. Your buddy will drowned out the entire band, drummer and all if he show chooses (until they beat him up and take his guitar)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-6505-212...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50
As far as wanting more then a combo to be heard over a full band, I have seen guys drowned out entire bands with a Mesa Rectoverb 50 watt 1x12 combo.
This things sole purpose in life is metal, and it does it very well!
Here is a 212 combo. Your buddy will drowned out the entire band, drummer and all if he show chooses (until they beat him up and take his guitar)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Peavey-6505-212...5|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50
As far as wanting more then a combo to be heard over a full band, I have seen guys drowned out entire bands with a Mesa Rectoverb 50 watt 1x12 combo.
Roguetitan
New member
it does metal better than clean
I liked it, everyone I know likes the amp, Harmony central gave a good review on the amp. all the customer reviews I read on the musicians friend web site were nothing short of praises.
so if it cost more it must be better eh
I have to call BS on the more money = better theroy
Peavey Valve King
The Peavey XXX
thats more bull shit because Behringer has not even been making those amps for 2 years
that is just people who don't like Behringer for no real aparent reason spewing off at the mouth about something they reallly know nothing about.
If It was me, my money and I needed an amp right now for a metal band and I wanted to get the biggest bang for my buck I would more than likely go with the Peavey Windsor.
G
Guitarer
New member
Behringer DISTRIBUTES Bugera, nothing more. They do not design them, make them, or assemble them.
Yes, they are rip offs of Peavey's line of amps. Yes, they are cheaply made and are known for breaking. Yes, they do sound amazing when they work. So it's up to you whether you want to risk it. That's what insurance is for.
333 = XXX
333xl = JSX
6260 = 5150
6262 = 6505
Yes, they are rip offs of Peavey's line of amps. Yes, they are cheaply made and are known for breaking. Yes, they do sound amazing when they work. So it's up to you whether you want to risk it. That's what insurance is for.
333 = XXX
333xl = JSX
6260 = 5150
6262 = 6505
didgijimmy
vexed
find a wallmart and look at the back of any guitar world magazine. Bugera has a pretty convincing add there listing all of the artists that use their stacks live.
T
Toker41
Better Than You
Ok, at the risk of being stoned (and not in a good way).....
1. Fuck that solid state amp.
2. You do NOT choose an amp from a catalog, or from an online forum.
3. Go to a LOT of music stores and try a LOT of amps. Any store will let you spend hours trying as many amps as you want. An amp is not something you choose in 5 minutes, or buy trying only one.
4. Your friend is the only one that is going to know what amp is for him. However, having an enthusiastic friend with him (such as yourself) will keep him motivated.
5. That amp you are looking at is crap for garage bands. Spend a little more, and buy used. If you are doing metal, you can get a Dual Rec. Solo head for $1000, and then buy a cheap used cab for $100 until he can afford a better cab. That head will do any type of music you wish, he will never out grow it, and you need no pedals to make it sound better (although a compression pedal is not a bad idea).
6. Tubes, Tubes, Tubes, Tubes, Tubes, Tubes. Although there are some very good sounding solid state amps, the one you are looking at isn't one of them, and after your buddy's ears become more trained and experienced, he will outgrow it, and then the money you think you are saving him will actually be wasted money. Better to spend a little more than you can afford now, than to end up buying another amp later. You would actually be saving a LOT of money buy spending a bit more now. I can not stress this enough...go for the gold the first time around, or you will chase your "perfect" tone to the tune of years, thousands of wasted dollars, and dozens of amps that were supposed to be "good for the money", and you will eventually end up buying the more expensive one in the end. I promise you that if you buy that solid state amp, your buddy will just end up selling it down the line for half of what he paid for it.
7. If you insist on not taking any of the above advice, look online (ebay, Craig's list), and try to find a Peavey VTM 60, or VTM 120. They are tube heads, and can be found for around $200 used. Add a BBE and it will sound way better (warmer, thicker, heavier) than that amp you are considering.
8. You can get a Boogie 2x12 combo and still stay in your friends budget. A Mesa Rectoverb can be had used for $1000. If he really wants the "cool look" of a half stack, he can add another 2x12 cab later, and then it will be a "half stack". My dual rec Road King 2x12 combo is actually louder, and more powerful than my Mesa Dual Rec half stack.
Good luck, and please keep us posted on what you guys decide to do.
1. Fuck that solid state amp.
2. You do NOT choose an amp from a catalog, or from an online forum.
3. Go to a LOT of music stores and try a LOT of amps. Any store will let you spend hours trying as many amps as you want. An amp is not something you choose in 5 minutes, or buy trying only one.
4. Your friend is the only one that is going to know what amp is for him. However, having an enthusiastic friend with him (such as yourself) will keep him motivated.
5. That amp you are looking at is crap for garage bands. Spend a little more, and buy used. If you are doing metal, you can get a Dual Rec. Solo head for $1000, and then buy a cheap used cab for $100 until he can afford a better cab. That head will do any type of music you wish, he will never out grow it, and you need no pedals to make it sound better (although a compression pedal is not a bad idea).
6. Tubes, Tubes, Tubes, Tubes, Tubes, Tubes. Although there are some very good sounding solid state amps, the one you are looking at isn't one of them, and after your buddy's ears become more trained and experienced, he will outgrow it, and then the money you think you are saving him will actually be wasted money. Better to spend a little more than you can afford now, than to end up buying another amp later. You would actually be saving a LOT of money buy spending a bit more now. I can not stress this enough...go for the gold the first time around, or you will chase your "perfect" tone to the tune of years, thousands of wasted dollars, and dozens of amps that were supposed to be "good for the money", and you will eventually end up buying the more expensive one in the end. I promise you that if you buy that solid state amp, your buddy will just end up selling it down the line for half of what he paid for it.
7. If you insist on not taking any of the above advice, look online (ebay, Craig's list), and try to find a Peavey VTM 60, or VTM 120. They are tube heads, and can be found for around $200 used. Add a BBE and it will sound way better (warmer, thicker, heavier) than that amp you are considering.
8. You can get a Boogie 2x12 combo and still stay in your friends budget. A Mesa Rectoverb can be had used for $1000. If he really wants the "cool look" of a half stack, he can add another 2x12 cab later, and then it will be a "half stack". My dual rec Road King 2x12 combo is actually louder, and more powerful than my Mesa Dual Rec half stack.
Good luck, and please keep us posted on what you guys decide to do.
Farview
Well-known member
"Metal" is a very broad term. What type of metal are we talking about? There is a big difference between Scorpions and Dimmu Borgir
Roguetitan
New member
thispost is right on the money!
any tube amp he gets is going to be better than the Randall
Everybody
Hail Santa
Thanks toker that helped a lot man
I agree completely, he WILL be saving money by making a great purchase first time around...but I also understand his point of view of not wanting to have be broke after the purchase haha
Farview, I stated in my original message what subgenre of a subgenre of metal im talking about haha, the faceless, veil of maya, all shall perish, born of osiris...periphery you get the point
Ill deff keep yall updated on whats going on, also if yall would, keep an eye out for me on ebay and craiglist!
Thanks for all the support and help thus far
I agree completely, he WILL be saving money by making a great purchase first time around...but I also understand his point of view of not wanting to have be broke after the purchase haha
Farview, I stated in my original message what subgenre of a subgenre of metal im talking about haha, the faceless, veil of maya, all shall perish, born of osiris...periphery you get the point
Ill deff keep yall updated on whats going on, also if yall would, keep an eye out for me on ebay and craiglist!
Thanks for all the support and help thus far