Best Monitors for around $500

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I've been looking around for monitors for my home studio. I really want to be able hear a lot of bass in my recordings. Monitors that I am looking at are:

Event Tria System ($499 seems like a great deal)
Event PS5
Alesis M1 Actives
Yamaha MSP5
Some Rolands I just discovered(http://www.8thstreet.com/Product.asp?ProductCode=3577)

Eric

P.S. - I was looking at powered montiors because I'm new to home recording and do not already own a monitor amp
 
Trias.Excellent,flat response.True bass tonality!
Luv em!
 
YSM-1

HAve a look at the Yorkville YSM-1. Not powered, but for ~$200 per pair you've got $300 to get a decent power amp.
 
trias are $450

I've seen the tria system's for as low as $450 shipping included, try discountmusic.com, music123.com, and zzounds.com - I think it was one of those three. Crazy price. But be prepaired for the fact that the satelite speakers are about the size of a powered pencil sharpener, kind of underwhelming - though I'm sure with the sub they sound great.

I'd give serious consideration to those new rolands, people I know that own the ds-90's really like them, I'd imgine these new ones aren't half bad either, but I don't know if they would produce as much bass as the tria system or the event ps6's. However, for monitoring, it's accurate bass that you are looking for, not super just deep bass. A sub can be hard to place accurately in a room if you're pressed for space.

Personally, I just ordered a pair of yorkville Ysm1's for $79 each shipping included, but I'm using my audiophile amp that I got used awhile ago, cause I'm dirt poor at the moment. I think self-powered is the way to go if you can afford it. though, I think you should definitely have a mixer with most self-powereds, because you need something to controll the volume with besides the software mixer on your soundcard. If your working from a DAW that's not an issue.
 
I am working with a DAW. So if I want true bass, which would you recommend?

Eric
 
Damn!

I've only had my YSM-1 about a month and a half, and I thought I got a great deal at $99/each. Now everybody and his brother is getting them for like $79! I even saw a guy who stated that he paid a little over $100 for a pair of 'em!

Good point about the mixer and volume control Patrick.
 
accurate bass

FBstdminime said:
I am working with a DAW. So if I want true bass, which would you recommend?

Eric

Eric,

the room you put the speakers in affects the sound (especially the bass) a lot - a sub will compound this problem even more, but if the sub works right (meaning you have a smooth crossover at the lows and the bass is flat down to a good 35 hrz or less, you will definitely have the lows covered. I've only used Mackie Hr's extensively, so I can't personally vouche for the bass performance of any of the monitors we are talking about here - I can recite what other users have said and give you a point for point of every review out there, but it comes down to your own personal tastes in music. Nothiing self powered in the $500 range is going to be absolutely outstanding for every type of music (I don't know if any monitor, regardless of price is, even the $1200 mackies I got to use at work sounded more natural with classical and film fx than with pop music).

I went for the Yorkvilles cause every single review I read said they had acceptionally solid and accurate bass (rated at a super-low 40hz - only the event ps8 claims lower I believe) and even maintained some room-rumbler power and tonality at 20hz (the lowest most of us adult humans are supposed to be able to hear).

If you tell me exactly what kind of music you are planning to mix (type of instruments, arrangement, the more specific the better) I can definitely point you to fistfulls of online reviews that will tell you that a certain monitor is perfect for whatever type of music you tell me. I know it can be humiliating, but if you could compair the music you're working on with some reasonably well known artists/recordings in terms of a sound you are striving for, it would help me point you in the right direction. In the mean time, I would strongly encourage you to go demo a pair of event PS6's with some of your favorite CD's - everyone seems to love those - I would definitely buy a pair myself if I had $500 to spend on new powered monitors (that is, if they passed an in-person test). They are are the perfect size for everything, and very handsome in my opinion. The Ps6's are easy to find, so you shouldn't have any trouble getting to test a pair - all the others may be more difficult to track down in person.

Try the M1's in person as well, those are easy to find too. Make sure when demoing anything to put the speakers 3 feet apart from each other, and your head inbetween the two, three feet apart from each woofer - with the wooffers pointed inward towards your head, so that your head forms the point of a triangel with 3 equal sides. position your ears between the woofer and tweeter. This is the "sweet spot" and only in this triangulated position can you accurately judge how a nearfield monitor sounds.

Standing by for more info:

Patrick K.


oh, also, by DAW I meant like a digital roland multitracker or something to that effect, as opposed to a computer-based system. Is this what you will be working on? What kind of space will you be working in? Will you be moving around much, or will this be a sedintary DAW setup?
 
Well, actually the DAW is the new tascam US-428 (connected to computer through USB). I actually think I may need to connect the monitors to my soundcard now because the US_428 only has RCA outputs.

The music I am going to play is rock using electric guitar, bass, drums, sometimes MIDI keyboard. I'm really flexible on types of rock - I don't just play grunge or metal. I do like to hear bass in the recordings.

Eric

P.S. - Where do they sell PS6's for $500?

P.P.S. - Would I be better off going with the yorkvilles and an alesis power amp or sticking with powered monitors?
 
rca is not a problem. . .

rca outs are fine, just get an rca to 1/4" cable, you won't have a "balanced" connection capable of running 30 feet away or more, but as long as the cable is under 15 feet you'll be fine - we had unbalanced connections to the Mackies at work, and they worked fine, now hum or anything. The important thing is that the outs are main outs or control room outs, outputting a complete mix, effects and all, not just part of the mix (I'm pretty sure that a unit with only rca outs is gonna have just main outs, so you should be ok).

You can't really go straight out from your soundcard to the monitors, cause there is no volume control on most self-powered monitors (save for the yamaha mp5 whatevers)- so your computer could fire up and make some horrible noise during booting and blow your ears out (not to mentions speakers don't like that kind of stuff). you just can't count on a software slider when you're dealing with monitors greater than 15 watts a piece (which all these are) - it's just nuts - it's extremely dangerous, you would have to buy a micro mixer to control the volume (or some kind of volume control, but you might as well just get a micro mixer, which you'll eventually want anyway if you're doing rock).

Great bass extention is not that critical in most rock music (stones, beatles, any freedomrock, glamrock, or grunge band), unless heavy use of a five-string bass is involved. Most of the bass and punch from drums and bass guitar resides in the low mids which go down to 80hz - any decent monitor can get down to 80hz, most down to 65hz - which would be fine for that kind of stuff in my opinion - sure you might feel a bit more bass in your chest in a system that could get down to 35hz, but it wouldn't be as critical to mixing the music accurately. I mean, once you get past 60hz, we're talking about some pretty low bass - the kind of bass you would get from the bass drum of a vintage drum machine or the lowest note of one of those giant church organs - the kind of bass skywalker sound uses when a star destroyer is supposedly flying over the audiences' head. If you're doing dance music, this kind of bass is important, if you're doing music from guitar, bass, and drums, it's not nearly as critical. I read a review from a guy who demoed a bunch of monitors with a temple of the dog cd and ended up with alesis point sevens pleasing him the most, some of the most notoriously low-bass-weak speakers out there (no offense to any point seven owners) - cause even those little guys could handle most of what Jeff Ament could throw at them. Now, if you were doing a 5 string bass-soloist record, then it might be more important. . . . . . . . but otherwise, don't worry about the looow bass, the punch is in the (approx.) 60 to 100hz range (don't quote me on that), not the 20 to 40hz range.

Tannoy Reveals are probably better than yorkville ysm-1's for rock music (but they're $120 more), they have better mid-field definition (almost too much from what I've heard) read all the reviews at the address below, there's a guy in a rock band who has both. . .

http://www.audioreview.com/reviews/Speaker/product_8657.shtml

The reveals are also availibel as an active for a little more than $600 (the passives are $300). But the ps6's have much better bass for $570 shipping/tax included at 8thstreet.com - a little over your budget, but go demo them, you'll see why their worth it if any of the stuff I've heard about them is true - they seem to have no weaknesses. Alway remember to factor in shipping and tax when looking at prices, a number means nothing till you've calculated the "out the door" price. Alot of online discounters chop down the prices, then gouge you for shipping when you check out - so free shipping will usually save you at least $30.

I do alot of sound fx and experimental electronic music (where sometimes I'm using sound that are purely 30hz or purely 20hz, so I need something accurate across the whole spectrum - thus the ysm1's instead of the reveals). Also, I owe mastercard $1000 - so $79 per monitor sounds pretty good right now.

The M1's have an equal amount of worshipers and detractors, some think them unrefined, some like the great bass extension - you'ld have to try them, the certainly have a nice price.

Again, the tria used to sell for $750 to $900 last year, and even then is seemed worth it, but if you haven't seen a set in person, you'll be surprised - that LF thing is huge, the satelite speakers are about the size of average PC speakers though - it's like the pro version of the average $200 home multimedia PC speaker system. So make sure you can set the sub back far enough to where you don't kick it, but not so far back that the bass is muffled by your desk - - which can be tricky - now you know why it's been discontinued. . . . well, it was also discontinued because it failed to get a serious review by any of the major recording magazines - really strange. . . .everybody reviewed the 20/20's, I wonder why event kept the tria hidden from the media?

O.k., hope this helps - let me know if you have any more questions.

patrick out.
 
active vs passive

I would try to score active monitors if you don't have an amp already - active montitors are superior to passives - their is an amp for each speaker (usually) instead of one big amp, and the amp is connected directly to the cones, so you don't have to suffer the sublte signal degredation that even the best speaker cables will impose. Also, finding an amp that is a perfect match for a particular monitor is a lifetime quest - and you'll never find one that is as good as the two custom-made amps inside a set of actives.

That is why almost every new monitor out there is an active, rather than a passive. Actives just make more sense for studio use.

Like I said, I'd go for actives if I had the cash. Of course, you can't switch speakers with an active, which is how I console myself at the moment. I've got like three sets of hand-me down speakers hooked up to my amp so I can switch back and fourth for double checking purposes. If I want to know how my mix will sound on a home system - I just switch to speaker set "B". :)

-patrick
 
Thanx for all the replies. I'm between the tria and the ps6's. Luckily I live in philly so I can go down to 8th street and hear the ps6's. I think sam ash has the tria so i'll hear those there.


Eric
 
6 over 5

that's convenient! I never even considered the fact that 8thstreet might actually have a showroom somewhere. . .cool.

Yeah, definitely pit the ps6 against the tria, not the ps5. The ps5's are great for the size, but are too small to be "full range" (event even admits this on their website). The 6 is the one to beat, it's worth the extra $90 or so - for the looks alone, not to mention the extra bass everyone is supposedly going nuts over. The 8's are the replacement to the 20/20's - big mutha's. I'd be too nervouse to have speakers that big 2 1/2 feet from my head (though I'm sure I'd get used to it). I haven't been impressed with the yamaha's mp5s at all, they look to be geared more for multimedia uses than true mixing, and all the stuff I've demoed through them was impressive for a plastic-cased multimedia speaker, but nothing too exciting or confidence inspiring. Though I don't think any of the ones I've tested were really set up in an ideal fashion.
 
Re: Damn!

Reqs said:
I've only had my YSM-1 about a month and a half, and I thought I got a great deal at $99/each. Now everybody and his brother is getting them for like $79! I even saw a guy who stated that he paid a little over $100 for a pair of 'em!

Good point about the mixer and volume control Patrick.

oops, I was mistaken, I payed $89 each (not $79) and $10 each for the magnetic shielding kit - tax and shipping included. So my total bill for shielded ysm1's was $198 out the door. So don't feel too bad Reqs - that guy who got them for a little over a hundred may have gotten showroom demos or used ysm1's. Or maybe he was just plain mistaken, as I was.
 
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