Doug H
I'll be there
DavidK said:
ya, if the m-audio studio3 are really not great then maybe there's nothing to discuss.
ya, if the m-audio studio3 are really not great then maybe there's nothing to discuss.
HangDawg
bUnGhOlIo
Doug H said:
I think this needs repeated for the 3rd time. You can't even really say for certain if your monitors or mics suck if the room you are working in sucks. Simple as that. What will happen is you'll wait for the treatment and start getting new gear, then if you do treat the room you may not like what you hear and have to start over again. It's your money, spend it how you want. But really listen to the advice of someone who already made the mistake.
DavidK
New member
HangDawg said:
Sure you can. Good is good.
Consider that many people move often. Different apts or different areas of the house perhaps. The mics and monitors move with you, the room doesnt.
Some people arent skilled enough to know the difference between a treated room and a non-treated one. I dont know if I am, seriously. And I am a pro musician. I am sure I will in time if I continue this hobby actively. Monitors dont require the same level of acquired knowledge, you can instantly reach a new level based on a purchase, not learning. Same with mics, your recordings get better right away, hopefully inspiring you to learn more about the art of recording and stuff like room treatment. My 2 cents.
Doug H
I'll be there
This depends on the room. If it's a small drywalled room and/or a low cieling the difference is night and day as far as I'm concerned. I've been converted and am a believer.
D
dmbfan1981
New member
ok...well lets say I decided to treat a 12 x 12 room. I would have carpeted floor. I was considering a pack of auralex 1x1 panels. I think their are 32 in the pack. Where would be the best places to put them. I think the ceiling is probably 7 or 8 feet. Any recommendations. I was thinking of making a two diamond patterns on each of the walls that my monitors are facing, and the one behind them. Then the walls to my left and right, just put panels in strategic places but probably not quite as many panels. Then eventually I would also purchase bass traps.
Anymore advice on placement or types of foam to get? thanks guys.
Anymore advice on placement or types of foam to get? thanks guys.
apl
Stand Up Comity
Consider 703 and read www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
there's definitely been lots of good advice here. personally i'm in the garbage in=garbage out camp. if you're doing mostly vocals and ac guitar, you might be able to get away with some more makeshift acoustic control (e.g. blankets, sleeping bags, duvets, etc. positioned strategically). things like mics, preamps, ad converters, actually change how the sound will translate to your hard drive. monitors do not and ultimately most of your listening audience will generally listen on hyped speakers (in their car or personal stereo systems) or on earbuds anyway, which is why many studios will have monitors like ns10's or auratones (or avantones now) next to their adams, dynaudios, etc.
short answer-- imho, all of the things mentioned are important, but i'd get a mic. ymmv
short answer-- imho, all of the things mentioned are important, but i'd get a mic. ymmv
HangDawg
bUnGhOlIo
kojdogg said:
So, room treatment is not going to effect how his new mic gets recorded to his HD? Wow, I am an idiot.
HangDawg
bUnGhOlIo
DavidK said:
Skill has nothing to do with translation from shitty room accoustics to the outside world. It may sound right when you mix and be utter shit elsewhere. Come on man, you know this is true. I would think that even seasoned pros would have a problem mixing in my studio if it wasn't treated at all.
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
of course it will-- that's not what i said!HangDawg said:
in my post, i just noted that if his primary uses will be very directional work with vocals and/or acoustic guitar that he could use some other stuff to half-assedly isolate the micing and get decent results. if you're using a cardioid or hypercardioid mic to record those sources, you might be able to get decent results that way (must be why things like the reflexion filter are selling so well). if he has a small room, with a low ceiling, all parallel surfaces and a lot of other design elements not friendly for acoustics/recording it's a cost vs. benefit call with the cost for effectively treating the room becoming increasingly high. i think it's crucially important!
also, in my post i stated "there's been a lot of good advice here...imho, all of the things mentioned are important, but i'd get a mic. ymmv"
i don't know how much more i can qualify my response as subjective than that and how much further i can get from implying that anyone who voiced another opinion is "an idiot"!
D
dmbfan1981
New member
noone is an idiot. I think that all of your opinions raise valid points and different perspectives. I appreciate all of the help.
I agree that I could probably do some half assed set up with blankets and crap, but I have this thing called a "wife" and quilts, blankets and matresses hanging off the walls just wouldnt fly. haha.
I think I am going to go with some KRK rp5 monitors, and possibly try to find a different mix in the $150 dollar range just to have an alternative to my marshall MXL990. I also have an Audix ( OM1 I think ) but it has to be repaired cause it has a short in it or something.
Is anyone familiar with that Nady Ribbon Mic that is going for around $150 on MF?? Are ribbon mics usually better for vocals?
I agree that I could probably do some half assed set up with blankets and crap, but I have this thing called a "wife" and quilts, blankets and matresses hanging off the walls just wouldnt fly. haha.
I think I am going to go with some KRK rp5 monitors, and possibly try to find a different mix in the $150 dollar range just to have an alternative to my marshall MXL990. I also have an Audix ( OM1 I think ) but it has to be repaired cause it has a short in it or something.
Is anyone familiar with that Nady Ribbon Mic that is going for around $150 on MF?? Are ribbon mics usually better for vocals?
kojdogg
bollocks redux!
dmbfan1981 said:
the nady ribbon mics come from the alctron factory in china and are identical to a number of other mics rebranded by other companies including, but not limited to: ppa, apex, stellar. you can get the same mic (i think you're probably talking about the rsm-1 or rsm-2) as the apex model through full compass for less money.
cheaper ribbon mics generally, but not always have a high end drop off and some lower/midrange boosts. again, speaking generally, they are good for more "vintage" sounding vocals, or for vocalists who have voices where they typical high-end hyped tendencies of cheaper condenser mics are a problem. again ymmv.