bent hoop

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I'm about to do a search on google, but I figured I'd ask here since there is a lot of hidden information and talent here :D

I've got an old vista-lite kit that I am trying to tune and I can't get the toms to quite sound right. I finally figure it out, some of the hoops are bent. I'd just go out and buy new ones, but of course, I'm broke. I saw a dvd a while ago about tuning and this guy was talking about bent hoops and he seemed to be able to demonstrate how to round them again. I basically need to know what I can do to be able to tell where it is out of round and how to bend it back. I tried comparing it to the drum head but it almost seems like the collar on the head is bent like the hoop was. I've tried comparing it to the drum but I can't seem to get it just right. Any tips?

..And if I find anything on google I will be sure to post it here. I searched the fourms and apparently there aren't any threads on this subject yet...
 
Find a perfectly flat surface, like a marble countertop or glass tabletop.
Place it on it and you'll see where it's bent. Just form it by placing it on a piece of 2x4 wood and pushing down where it needs to go down. Adjust it so that it doesn't "rock" back and forth on the flat surface any more. There should little to no gap, it should sit even.

If it's out of round you'll have to use a tape measure and bend it till it measures the same distance between all lug holes.

Yes, bent hoops can make even the best drums sound like crap. That is certainly one of the benefits of cast hoops.
 
Alright I pretty much followed that to the T and I got it to sound better.. It's still not right but like I said I think the head is shot. I used the drum as a reference instead of the counter top.. for whatever reason I couldn't figure out how to bend it right to make it stop rocking, and when I compared it to the drum after I thought it was round on the counter, it was way off. So I got it as round as I could, and then used a drum dial and put more tension than I'd normally use to seat it on the head, and then pressed the middle. I heard the glue crack a little and let it sit for a few minutes, then tuned it down and then back up to pitch where I wanted it, and it sounds pretty good so far. I'm going to play with it for a little bit and see how it sounds.

I have to agree cast hoops are definately better. Heavy for gigging but they stand up to a beating. It'd really be up to my dad if he wanted to get them for this kit or not cuz it is really his kit. But I think it would be cool to replace all the lug casings, lugs, and hoops on this kit and polish it up nice ;)

Anyway thanks much for the help!
 
to replace all the lugs, hoops and etc on a vintage ludwig kit- with either new production pieces or someone else's old ones- you could buy a second kit.
 
WAAIITT! Hey man did you ever stop to think that the hoop is bent to the specific conture of the drum? I mean when you install new heads you are suppose to put the hoop in the same location in relation the lugs, because it will form itself to the drum over time!
 
Freethinker said:
WAAIITT! Hey man did you ever stop to think that the hoop is bent to the specific conture of the drum? I mean when you install new heads you are suppose to put the hoop in the same location in relation the lugs, because it will form itself to the drum over time!
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If the drum had a countour, wouldn't it be out of round?
 
depends on which way you are talking about. if the bearing edge is not perfectly square or perpendicular to the sides that is one kind of conture that hoops can form to, and then yes to the shape of the shells diameter. it could be not perfect that way too, but if that was the case then it would be very obvious to the eye, but if the hoop was bent in relation to the shells out of roundness then still it could be tuned well if placed back in the corresponding position to the bend/out of round shell.

especially on older sets the manufacturing was not as precise as todays sets, no computer guided machines or laser leveling you understand what I'm getting at.
 
trace it on a white piece of construction paper using a permanent marker :D
 
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