Behringer UB802 Recording/Headphone Question

[jjsellers89]

Hey guys, I have a question for anybody willing to help me out.

My Equipment:

Behringer UB802 mixer
M-Audio Interface (2 Rca in, 2 rca out)
MXL v69 microphone

I have the RCA out on my pc connected to "CD/TAPE INPUT" and my microphone hooked into line 1. "Main MIX OUT" is going to the RCA input on my pc. "Ctrl Room" is connected to my monitors. And of course, "Headphone OUT" to my headphones.

My problem is this:

I would like to listen to the instrumental combined with the microphone in the headphones, but record only the vocals into my pc. For some reason I thought I had everything hooked up correctly and it's recording both the vocals and the instrumental back into my pc.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks

 

[Roguetitan]

I pretty much use the same setup for practice sessions except I use Bheringer UCA202 usb interface if I understand you correctly the recorded signal is sent back to the mixer by rca tape in. which is sending the signal back to the recording track you are using to record vocals. to eleminate the instrumental recording you will need to listen to the recorded track through your computer with head phones instead of running the signal back through the mixer.
you will not be able to monitor your vocals while you are recording this way but it is the only way I know to do this with the equipment that is being used.

if the interface has a mic plug you may be able to hear both the recorded track as well as your vocals, you may want to try that.

 

[ocnor]

It sounds like everything is hooked up correctly. Make sure that you push the "Tape To Control Room" button and it should work fine.

 

[Roguetitan]

It sounds like everything is hooked up correctly. Make sure that you push the "Tape To Control Room" button and it should work fine.

if he does that he will mute the recorded signal to where he cannot hear the playback at all.
if he presses thetape to mix it will mute the mic to where it will not record to the track.

you need to be able to hear the playback so the vocals is in sync with the instrumental.

 

[jjsellers89]

Thanks for the replies!

Yea Ive been playing with it all night and Im able to record just the vocals, but I cant monitor them at the same time. On my soundcard I have 2 RCA in, 2 RCA, and a little "Breakout" type feature that gives me 1 SPDIF IN, 1 SPDIF OUT, and MIDI I/O. Is it possible to maybe utilize any of those connections to give me what I want?

 

[Roguetitan]

Thanks for the replies!

Yea Ive been playing with it all night and Im able to record just the vocals, but I cant monitor them at the same time. On my soundcard I have 2 RCA in, 2 RCA, and a little "Breakout" type feature that gives me 1 SPDIF IN, 1 SPDIF OUT, and MIDI I/O. Is it possible to maybe utilize any of those connections to give me what I want?

you may try sending the signal from the mixer to the breakout then use the out for your headphones I dont know if that will work though you just have to give it a try.

the only other thing I know to do is set the device settings of your DAW to the soundcard output this way you can use headphones to hear the recording through your compiter then if you need to monitor your vocals you can use some in ear speakers under the head phones.
it is a little crude but it will work.

 

[xstatic]

How about just adding adaptors top the RCA outs form the M-Audio and converting them to 1/4" and putting them in channels on the Behringer. Then use the insert output on the mic channel to send to the M-Audio input. This way you can use the channels on the Behringer to create your headphone mix, still use the control room out for your montiors. All of this is assuming you do not have direct outputs form each channel on your little mixer. If you do, use the direct output to feed the mic to the soundcard instead of inserting a 1/4" to RCA cable half way into the insert jack.

 

[ocnor]

Thanks for the replies!

Yea Ive been playing with it all night and Im able to record just the vocals, but I cant monitor them at the same time. On my soundcard I have 2 RCA in, 2 RCA, and a little "Breakout" type feature that gives me 1 SPDIF IN, 1 SPDIF OUT, and MIDI I/O. Is it possible to maybe utilize any of those connections to give me what I want?

I have the exact same mixer and an m-audio 2496 soundcard. Run the 802 main outs>soundcard inputs. soundcard outs>mixers tape inputs. Press the tape to ctrl room button but NOT the tape to mix button. Now through the headphones you can hear anything plugged into the mixer channels as well as the outputs from the soundcard.

 

[Roguetitan]

How about just adding adaptors top the RCA outs form the M-Audio and converting them to 1/4" and putting them in channels on the Behringer. Then use the insert output on the mic channel to send to the M-Audio input. This way you can use the channels on the Behringer to create your headphone mix, still use the control room out for your montiors. All of this is assuming you do not have direct outputs form each channel on your little mixer. If you do, use the direct output to feed the mic to the soundcard instead of inserting a 1/4" to RCA cable half way into the insert jack.

this would work I do believe

maybe something like this into the Balanced/Unblanced input?

 

[Roguetitan]

I have the exact same mixer and an m-audio 2496 soundcard. Run the 802 main outs>soundcard inputs. soundcard outs>mixers tape inputs. Press the tape to ctrl room button but NOT the tape to mix button. Now through the headphones you can hear anything plugged into the mixer channels as well as the outputs from the soundcard.

yes but but when recording the vocals the previously recorded track signal is also being recorded to that track also which the op does not want.

 

[ocnor]

if he does that he will mute the recorded signal to where he cannot hear the playback at all.
if he presses thetape to mix it will mute the mic to where it will not record to the track.

you need to be able to hear the playback so the vocals is in sync with the instrumental.

I'm sorry but everything that you said is wrong.

 

[ocnor]

yes but but when recording the vocals the previously recorded track signal is also being recorded to that track also which the op does not want.

No it isn't because the soundcard outs are routed directly to the control room bus and not the main bus. The mixer channels are routed to the main bus and the control room bus.

 

[Roguetitan]

this would work I do believe

maybe something like this into the Balanced/Unblanced input?

EDIT: on second thought this will not eleminate the problem because the recorded signal is still being sent through the tape out.

 

[Roguetitan]

No it isn't because the soundcard outs are routed directly to the control room bus and not the main bus. The mixer channels are routed to the main bus and the control room bus.

dude I am sitting right here and I am telling you that it dont matter the recorded signal is being looped right back into the other track.

I have an RCA left and right to the tape out on the mixer to the interface inputs and an eca L/R from the interface out to the tape in on the mixer.
would you like me to take a picture how I have this shit routed?

evidently I am doing something wrong because I cannot record a vocal track without the other track being recorded on to that track as well.

 

[ocnor]

dude I am sitting right here and I am telling you that it dont matter the recorded signal is being looped right back into the other track.

I have an RCA left and right to the tape out on the mixer to the interface inputs and an eca L/R from the interface out to the tape in on the mixer.
would you like me to take a picture how I have this shit routed?

evidently I am doing something wrong because I cannot record a vocal track without the other track being recorded on to that track as well.

You are not supposed to run the mixers tape outs to the soundcard inputs. You have to run the "Main Out" to the soundcard inputs. This requires 1/4>RCA adapters.

 

[Roguetitan]

You are not supposed to run the mixers tape outs to the soundcard inputs. You have to run the "Main Out" to the soundcard inputs. This requires 1/4>RCA adapters.

bullshit these connections are wired in parallell with the main out. read the fuckin manual page 7.
UB802PDF Manual

 

[ocnor]

bullshit these connections are wired in parallell with the main out. read the fuckin manual page 7.
UB802PDF Manual

Ok you got me on that one. I didn't realize the tape out was parallel because I never use it. But if you run it the way that I described it works perfectly as I've done it that way for 2 years without a problem. As long as you run the soundcard outs to the tape in and press the tape to ctrl room button there is no way that it will loop back because the signal doesn't route to the main bus. If it loops back then your mixer is broken.

 

[pandamonk]

What program are you using to record? The headphone out should play the same as the ctrl room out. Infact, it is usually controlled with the same knob, i believe.

One solution i can see is the tape to ctrl button which, as i understand, is allowing you to monitor the instrumental part but not vocals. If you choose the option in your software which allows you to monitor the incoming signal, then this should send the instrumental part and vocals out to the tape-ins of your mixer.

This should allow you to send just the vocals to the pc to be recorded and listen to both in the headphones/monitors. If you just wanna hear vocals on the monitors, output to the monitors via the main outs.

Hope this helps/is correct

 

[Roguetitan]

Ok you got me on that one. I didn't realize the tape out was parallel because I never use it. But if you run it the way that I described it works perfectly as I've done it that way for 2 years without a problem. As long as you run the soundcard outs to the tape in and press the tape to ctrl room button there is no way that it will loop back because the signal doesn't route to the main bus. If it loops back then your mixer is broken.

First off
I apolojize for cussing at you but I kind of got ill when you said I was wrong when I know I wasnt.

Ok I am going to try it like you said but first let me make exactly sure I am understanding exactley what kind of adapters I need to get; i need 2 male1/4' phone plug to female RCA and rout them to the left and rightmain outs is that right?

I can tell you that my mixer is not broken because everyone I talk with who has the same setup has the same issue with theirs

What program are you using to record? The headphone out should play the same as the ctrl room out. Infact, it is usually controlled with the same knob, i believe.

One solution i can see is the tape to ctrl button which, as i understand, is allowing you to monitor the instrumental part but not vocals. If you choose the option in your software which allows you to monitor the incoming signal, then this should send the instrumental part and vocals out to the tape-ins of your mixer.

This should allow you to send just the vocals to the pc to be recorded and listen to both in the headphones/monitors. If you just wanna hear vocals on the monitors, output to the monitors via the main outs.

Hope this helps/is correct

it don't matter which program because I have pro tools on one computer,and I have Audacity, KAE,Wavosaur and Reaper on this computer and it does the same thing on all4 programs.

no you can hear both the vocals and the recorded track the problem is that the recorded track is looping into the new vocal track I have tried everything I know to do except for what oncor suggests
I am going to give that a go and see what happens.
so I guess I am off to radio shack tomorrow.

 

[pandamonk]

First off
I apolojize for cussing at you but I kind of got ill when you said I was wrong when I know I wasnt.

Ok I am going to try it like you said but first let me make exactly sure I am understanding exactley what kind of adapters I need to get; i need 2 male1/4' phone plug to female RCA and rout them to the left and rightmain outs is that right?

I can tell you that my mixer is not broken because everyone I talk with who has the same setup has the same issue with theirs.

You don't need the adapter, imo. The way you have it setup just now is fine.

it don't matter which program because I have pro tools on one computer,and I have Audacity, KAE,Wavosaur and Reaper on this computer and it does the same thing on all4 programs.

no you can hear both the vocals and the recorded track the problem is that the recorded track is looping into the new vocal track I have tried everything I know to do except for what oncor suggests
I am going to give that a go and see what happens.
so I guess I am off to radio shack tomorrow.

I asked what program, because some don't allow you to monitors the input, i believe.

You obviously didn't read what i and others have said. if you "Press the tape to ctrl room button but NOT the tape to mix button", then the instrumental track won't be recorded along with vocals.

This should allow you to hear the instrumental track in the headphones/monitors(ctrl outs), but may cut out the vocals. To hear the vocals, simply monitor the input in your software.

If you think you have done everything correct, then, as you said earlier, post a few pictures of the setup. Zoom right in on the tape to ctrl and tape to mix buttons please

to eleminate the instrumental recording you will need to listen to the recorded track through your computer with head phones instead of running the signal back through the mixer.
you will not be able to monitor your vocals while you are recording this way but it is the only way I know to do this with the equipment that is being used.

This is correct, it will eliminate the instrumental recording, but you can also monitor the vocals while recording by monitoring the track in the software(the I button in protools).