Behringer Speaker simulator

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Does anyone have any experience with these? I believe it gives the simulation of a 4x12 cab. I am tossing up between Behringer new and Hughes and Kettner Red Box second hand.
Any comments, comparisons would be appreciated.
Thanks
Clive
 
I have no experience with the Behringer box, but the H&K is awesome. Especially live.
 
Meshuggah,
Thanks for your reply, what I was after originally was a method of removing the speakers and using the box in their place, I am now told that if it is a tube amp you must have a dummy load in the Red Box "signal out to the speakers".
I only really want it so I can get up at 3am and record without waking the neighbourhood and not have to be sociable and talk to other humans when I'd rather be recording.
Have you tried the box with a dummy load or anyone know anything about it?
Clive
 
No. I have only used them live, with a cab connected..
 
Hi Clive, I dont know of a way get your tube amp tone, without using a dummy load with your amp, and the Behringer box between your amp and the dummy load.

A dummy load usually consists of a few LARGE wattage resistors wired to the 'resistance' (same impedence) you are looking for (usually 8 ohms). Eg. two 16 ohm-50W resistors in parallel for a 50W amp with an 8ohm output impedence. This may be beyond the scope of your interest. A dummy load does not act the same way a speaker cab does either - varying impedence with frequency. A dummy load is often used for amp building, testing, and power output measurement. Dont know how the tone would sound.

The Behringer Ultra-G Gi-100box 4x12 simulator is OK but not phenomenal. The DI functionality is good though, and the price is definately right.

What about one of those Tech 21 - Sansamp pedals? They are suposed to be the cat's ass.

Good luck!
 
Savageblues,
I have been looking all over the web and you are right, it seems that Hughes and Kettner have such a box, carries its own dummy load and is a cab simulator but the price is a little more than I dare spend right now so I'll most likely get the H&K Red Box as the general consensus is that the H&K is way better than the Behringer plus it has the option of 2x12 and 4x12.
The early hours will have to go on hold for a while till I get the usual essentials of life- better head phones, studio monitors more cables, I could spend thousands and not even blink.
 
You know, you can make a dummy load easily. Take a six foot long 1 by 4 and get a spool of 16awg wire. Wrap the wire around the board and eventually there will be enough wire to measure at 8 ohms. It'll probably take a hundred or maybe a couple of hundred feet of wire to do it but it will eventually get to 8 ohms. Now put a jack on it and you've got a dummy load. The reason you should use a long piece of wood is that you don't want to wrap the wire around itself. It could overheat if you do that, so just one layer of wire. I have one I use for amp work so I can make measurements without blowing out my neighbors and we use them at our music store's repair dept. and we do LOTS of amp work and are known for that around here.
 
Lt. Bob,
Thanks for that, I am at work with one of the electricians and he has made the observation that I should use steel wire and not copper as copper is too good a conductoer, what did you use?
Clive
 
I used cooper wire. Just a couple of rolls of stranded wire from the shack. What I did was to just measure the ohms of a roll of wire....it was about 4 ohms so I bought two rolls. I guess something more resistant would take less wire and therefore less space but I had no problem getting them on a 5 foot piece of wood and then I fastened it under a long table where it's out of sight.
 
...Or try high power dissipation resistors. Might be cheaper than a few good rolls of copper wire...
 
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