behringer/shure etc.

[paddyponchero]

The only behringer thing worth buying is their d/i boxes which are fine for live and you don't have to shed to many tears when they grow legs after a gig or get doused in rain / beer.

If you are looking in the UB802 price bracket I would urge you to stump up a bit more cash and get a yamaha MG 10/2 or a preamp like the maudio DMP3 / Studio Projects VTB1.

For the mic, a studio projects B1 is a reasonable mic, and for the money is excellent.

 

[cpc]

what is so much better about the studio projects b 1 compared to the behringer b-1? it seems that people here are just biased against behringer all together.

 

[cpc]

i was also thinking about the yamaha mg 10/2 and shure sm57 combo for under 200 . i want to get products that are guaranteed good products and people are starting to turn me off of behringer a bit. would this be better than the behringer condenser with the ub802? the thing is though i dont need 4 xlr inputs. i only need 2 that the ub802 provides, it seems to have all the things i need right now. the behringer gear i was looking at SEEMS to be everything im looking for, and got good user reviews. but if people truely think they are crap for the price then maybe i should reconsider. but please dont try to pursuade me against them if you're just biased. only do so if you've used them and find them to break/ or be shitty in general.

 

[fraserhutch]

what is so much better about the studio projects b 1 compared to the behringer b-1? it seems that people here are just biased against behringer all together.

They are not even close to the same mic.

Some have real reasons for being biased. You don't like our answers to your questions, don't listen to them, but don't come here blindly looking for validation. If you believe them to be the same, great. Use them.

 

[noisedude]

There's my man

I know this is "HOME RECORDING . COM" but the guys that frequent this bbs seem to be more "HOME STUDIO". By that I mean they are serious about what they do. Many of them have quite elaborate studios. (at least more so than "Home Recording" seems to indicate)
They don't like Behringer stuff and they don't like Uli Behringer. Most of them are very discriminating about gear. Let's face it, the cheap price is what attracts people to Behringer gear. They (the bbs members) have learned that cheap gear doesn't usually produce quality sound. (with a few exceptions)
The reviews at MF may not be the best way of deciding what gear to buy because the people who write them give rave reviews to products that don't measure up in the opinions of the Home Recording members. It hurts the credibility of the review. Either they can't tell the gear doesn't sound good or they are biased because they bought it.
I found out the hard way, DON'T TRUST THE REVIEWS AND don't trust the manufacturer's promotional material. There are some guys on here who know what they're talking about.

p.s. trust them, the Studio Projects B1 or the MXL v67 will be the best bet in the under $100 price range. I know these guys can seem harsh to someone earnestly asking for advice. Don't be offended. You learn after a while how to ask for advice without getting drilled.

You see, this is one of the guys who came here and got rubbed up the wrong way, and then me and him went at it for days. When he got over one or two of the egos, and one or two of the people who are just saying whatever the hell they like cos hey this is the internet, he realised there's some great info to be had here. (Plus we agreed to stop insulting each other's mothers and religions )

I've been through the cheap mics - it seems that cream rises and well-kept secrets do not stay that way for long (check Red5 Audio heading your way soon). It's not a blanket Behringer comment - though you can have some of those if you like - but the consensus is that the Berry B-1 is NOT the best mic for your money and neither is the MIC200 preamp.

I happen to have the MIC2200 Ultragain thingummy, and that's actually quite an acceptable sound as long as you don't have the gain over about +40dB, when it gets intolerably noisy. But it's definitely good VFM, and a half-decent bass DI. I had a UB1204 mixer for a while - it didn't sound great, but the routing was very flexible (guess they have Mackie to thank for that though).

Trust the REAL end users - people here and at the other recording forums. There are people here with a lifetime's experience and better ears than you or I will ever have. Pick them out and read their comments carefully. Discrard the others, they're usually either trolls or the same psychophants who write reviews for Musicians Friend.

 

[paddyponchero]

what is so much better about the studio projects b 1 compared to the behringer b-1?

Simply - studio projects cut corners in the right places, behringer cut corners wherever they see fit to save a cent. Most behringer products are cloned from rival products and then manufactured with the cheapest, shittyest components money can buy. I am an electronics engineer but you only need to use your ears to tell that 90% of behringer products are a steaming pile of crap.

For some reason a lot of people seem to believe that theres some kind of a conspiracy when people tell them that behringer is rubbish - they're trying to save you the trouble of finding out for yourself.

The behringer gear i was looking at SEEMS to be everything im looking for.

If eyes were ears buying online would be a breeze

(and behringer would be selling brauner and blue clones instead of U87-alikes)

 

[snow lizard]

You can't select mics based only on frequency response and specs. Your ears will tell you things that a chart can not. Mics that claim to have a range down to 30 hz or even 40 or 50 can still be used to record bass frequencies. 20 hz is the threshold of human hearing - it's a rumble more so than a sound, and vocals certainly don't have huge content down there. This is the same with 20k - most adults can't hear it at all.

The Audio Technica 2020 condenser will not put out a lot of bass at all - the response of that mic drops off at around 200 hz. Anything below around 80 is pretty deep bass. This is not to say that a 2020 won't sound good on your voice - you won't know until you try it.

Specs will never say if a mic has a crappy transformer or a bad circuit design.

High quality dynamic mics often get used for voiceover.


sl

 

[fraserhutch]

(Plus we agreed to stop insulting each other's mothers and religions )

Ah, man, that's the entertainment that keeps me coming back!

 

[hueseph]

I bought my B1 Behringer mic at a discount from one of their members for $175. You just can't beat that.

Behringer B1s Retail for about $150.00 Cdn. $130.00 US. Apparrently $175 can be beat.

The 20-20Khz thing is a push. Most mics can respond to 20hz but at what level? What they don't give you is a simple rule. Likely the response at 20hz is diminished by greater than -10dB. So yeah the signal is there a 20hz but would hardly be audible.

 

[Sonic Idiot]

What kind of computer are you using? Sound card?

Behringer gear is JUST FINE--seriously. It's not even "not bad". It's very good for the price. For what you want to accomplish right now, don't sweat the fuckers here. Go out and buy a Behringer mixer and start recording right away. But buy a SP B1 rather than a behrry. You'll be making records before you know it. (Ask more about plugins and recording software if you're interested).

These clips were recorded with the SP B1

www.dullum.net/77clip.wav

www.dullum.net/Gclip.wav

www.dullum.net/hands.wav

 

[cpc]

They are not even close to the same mic.

Some have real reasons for being biased. You don't like our answers to your questions, don't listen to them, but don't come here blindly looking for validation. If you believe them to be the same, great. Use them.

that was just kinda rude, i respect everyones opinions and answers, thats why im asking for help. i never said they were the same...i said they seemed like the same from my eyes and i was asking others innocently what makes them different. you say "they arent even close to the same mic" .. how so? tell me why, be some help. i bet they're pretty close.

 

[fraserhutch]

that was just kinda rude, i respect everyones opinions and answers, thats why im asking for help. i never said they were the same...i said they seemed like the same from my eyes and i was asking others innocently what makes them different. you say "they arent even close to the same mic" .. how so? tell me why, be some help. i bet they're pretty close.

You asked, and I gave you my opinion. Why is that so hard for you?

I have heard both, and in my opinon, the SP B1 is the better mic. Not even close.

Maybe I'm coming off as a little rude because you ask our opinions, and then paint us as biased because they don't validate what you want to believe.

Whatever. I gave you my opinion. It's worth what you paid for it.

 

[cpc]

i didnt ask which one you liked better, i asked what are the differences that make the sp better than the behringer. its fine that you shared you opinion on liking the sp better, but youd didnt help me at all and then criticized me when im just looking for help.

 

[ch2os7]

right

You see, this is one of the guys who came here and got rubbed up the wrong way, and then me and him went at it for days. When he got over one or two of the egos, and one or two of the people who are just saying whatever the hell they like cos hey this is the internet, he realised there's some great info to be had here. (Plus we agreed to stop insulting each other's mothers and religions )

yes, I have realized that this place can be a wealth of information. One more thing, just avoid getting into a verbal battle with these guys, they'll wear you out! Right ND?

 

[wilkee]

Anyone interested in either an SP B1 or a Berry B1 could buy either. They are both built to the same standards & no corners have been cut with either that you would not expect with the price.

Anyone with the slightest bit of skill could make decent recordings using either!!

Keep up the Bullshit lads, I guess you even believe the shyte you write

Tony

 

[noisedude]

yes, I have realized that this place can be a wealth of information. One more thing, just avoid getting into a verbal battle with these guys, they'll wear you out! Right ND?

You're right! Godddammit, if I have to argue with yet another new member about some inconsequential sh*t I swear I'll ....... hang on, what was this thread about again?

 

[noisedude]

Anyone interested in either an SP B1 or a Berry B1 could buy either. They are both built to the same standards & no corners have been cut with either that you would not expect with the price.

Anyone with the slightest bit of skill could make decent recordings using either!!

Keep up the Bullshit lads, I guess you even believe the shyte you write

Tony

Are you going to have a keyboard/piano at this beer festival? I realised last night that guitar might be a bad idea, as I'm not a great guitarist.

 

[wilkee]

Are you going to have a keyboard/piano at this beer festival? I realised last night that guitar might be a bad idea, as I'm not a great guitarist.

No I have just booked the one guy to do folk/blues. It is normally rock night on the Saturday but I thought the CAMRA anoraks might not appreciate it!!!

Still worth you coming to get pissed and have a listen or should it be the other way round?

Tony

 

[noisedude]

I'll be there - just a case of whether I will do a turn or not

 

[Quantagee]

Behringer B1s Retail for about $150.00 Cdn. $130.00 US. Apparrently $175 can be beat.

The 20-20Khz thing is a push. Most mics can respond to 20hz but at what level? What they don't give you is a simple rule. Likely the response at 20hz is diminished by greater than -10dB. So yeah the signal is there a 20hz but would hardly be audible.

Really? My friend (the one who sold it to me) told me that it was a vintage Behringer B1 used by aerosmith. The newer ones don't sound so warm. That is why I payed $175. It is a good price for a vintage mic.