Slouching Raymond
Well-known member
I discovered these things in the last week or so:
Track Rat
Just Your Average Sized Member
Interesting. I have a Neve OPX1073 and it definately has a very distinctive color
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
I seem to be finding lately that I only use eq to fix more things than for actual tone shaping.
That being said, a good preamp in definitely helps with some -dare I say 'warmth', but not sure it is not necessarily that much different from a interfaces preamp in.
But I don't have a shit ton of outboard gear.
I do use a Neve style preamp for my 'sweeet' channel. Vintech X73i that has an EQ. I find that I don't use much of the eq section when tracking. Maybe I should start doing so.
I work more to get the tone right before it gets recorded.
That being said, a good preamp in definitely helps with some -dare I say 'warmth', but not sure it is not necessarily that much different from a interfaces preamp in.
But I don't have a shit ton of outboard gear.
I do use a Neve style preamp for my 'sweeet' channel. Vintech X73i that has an EQ. I find that I don't use much of the eq section when tracking. Maybe I should start doing so.
I work more to get the tone right before it gets recorded.
CoolCat
Well-known member
the first thing I thought was they are slow to the clone party....but had big success with the 1176 and KT2A....
I had an Alctron73 and the Behringer73 looked similar to the buttons and knob colors. Hopefully its built better than the Alctron.
EQ and Comp going in seems to be some Old School Era where engineers had to make the choice calls and overdub to the reels and make the call as they recorded....
sometime it became "correct:" to record dry and do it all ITB later with unlimited tracks, things changed a lot even for HR.
I had an Alctron73 and the Behringer73 looked similar to the buttons and knob colors. Hopefully its built better than the Alctron.
EQ and Comp going in seems to be some Old School Era where engineers had to make the choice calls and overdub to the reels and make the call as they recorded....
sometime it became "correct:" to record dry and do it all ITB later with unlimited tracks, things changed a lot even for HR.
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drtechno
Active member
What really gets me is that these are very cheap to build to begin with and theirs is probably a surface mount version so its even cheaper (in more ways than one).
But they probably didn't screw up the design like Golden Age did which they originally constructed their grounds incorrectly on the PCB.
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noah330
Active member
I had some Behringer gear years about twenty years ago and it was ok for the time. I had a V-Verb in my rack next to a PCM-81 and PCM-91 and it sounded pretty good. Also had a headphone amp for a long time, but it started to hum. It only cost about $100 so I can't complain.
I wouldn't buy any of the Neve, API, etc. clones. It seems like you get the look but not the sound. I had the Warm 1176, SSL-tyle buss comp and a pair of the tube eqs. Sold them all because plugs sounded better. Now I have some Audioscape gear and enjoy it more as well as The Box.
For the low prices of the Behringer 1176 and tube eq I was toying with ordering some things. I stopped myself because I knew I would probably be disappointed.
I saw Behringer toying with a Fairchild clone. I guess these things look kind of neat but doesn't interest me.
I wouldn't buy any of the Neve, API, etc. clones. It seems like you get the look but not the sound. I had the Warm 1176, SSL-tyle buss comp and a pair of the tube eqs. Sold them all because plugs sounded better. Now I have some Audioscape gear and enjoy it more as well as The Box.
For the low prices of the Behringer 1176 and tube eq I was toying with ordering some things. I stopped myself because I knew I would probably be disappointed.
I saw Behringer toying with a Fairchild clone. I guess these things look kind of neat but doesn't interest me.
rob aylestone
Moderator
Behringer sort of prove that many pieces of much loved, well respected kit, are really just hyped up out of their real place in the heirachy. They reproduce them, with very clever people doing the design and what they end up with is a 'product' without the magic of the original. Magic as in undefined specialness, not technical specialness. People spent huge sums on the niche designs, and when lots of people have them, they judge them on what they do, NOT, what they might be doing?
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drtechno
Active member
A lot of these circuits are easy to replicate with surface mount technology because of their tight tolerances. However, they always had a tendency to impart a sterile sound and in certain circuits, you have to match certain parts in electric parameters which sometimes work, and others don't. Solid state circuits are easy to transpose in mounting technology. However, Certain tube circuits don't. Especially when they alter the circuit to remove a coupling transformer like in the case of the EPQ-KT, and use a different buffer amp circuit that isn't that great compared to the original. Which is also what happened in their LA2A clone. The reason why the classical built ones are so expensive is that not only you have to get the part, you had to select pick the best one into the circuit. So it there is a lot of labor involved into building it with classic pin and hole transistors. Transformers has always been what people harped on but it makes no difference if the applicable things in the circuit are modified to accept the different signal transformer.
I really don't have the need for a 1273 clone. Because I own an Amek M2500. I have been thinking off and on, a way to rack mount the EQ and the mic pres.
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noah330
Active member
I would buy the new Audioscape version before the Behringer if it were me. If I didn't want to spent the $1800 with AS I would stick with the plug-in.
