BearRinger gettin' spanked by the FCC?!

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Let's hear for BEHRINGER!!!!

I told you all that Company sucks!!!!!
 
They're going down!!!!!!!!!!


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! :mad: :mad: :D :p :mad:

FINALLY after 6 years of RANTS, Behringer is gettin' their foot shoved up it's collective @SSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! :mad: :D :mad:
 
I just read that whole complaint. Ouch.

You're OK, Ford, the UB802 is not on the list ;) The bigger UBs are, along with their digital mixers, some EQs, compressors, amp modelers, modelling amps, and other goodies.

I figure it might have cost 'em $2K per box, at the high end, to test upfront, that's $100K for the 50 models they were fined for. Probably it would have cost them less, volume discounts ya know :p Now they will have to pay $1M plus the cost of testing. Not too smart.
 
Behringer would be better off if it started manufacturing cowbells (and they'll prob'ly ripoff Latin Percussion's design)!
 
Better yet, they should start manufacturing toilets!
 
MISTERQCUE said:
Behringer would be better off if it started manufacturing cowbells (and they'll prob'ly ripoff Latin Percussion's design)!
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Except thier's will contain unsafe levels of lead.
 
mshilarious said:
I just read that whole complaint. Ouch.

You're OK, Ford, the UB802 is not on the list ;) The bigger UBs are, along with their digital mixers, some EQs, compressors, amp modelers, modelling amps, and other goodies.

I figure it might have cost 'em $2K per box, at the high end, to test upfront, that's $100K for the 50 models they were fined for. Probably it would have cost them less, volume discounts ya know :p Now they will have to pay $1M plus the cost of testing. Not too smart.
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The $1M fine is just the beginning.

I'm guessing that ALL the inventory in the U.S. will be impounded (not just the inventory in Behringers warehouses, but also in their distributors warehouses and stores), so all the distributors will expect to be paid for all the impounded stuff, and there'll probably be civil suits from users that have problems with their TVs, pacemakers (!) and other devices, and on and on...

No wonder they acted paranoid at the NAMM show last month when I video-taped the gear in their display!

Well, as they say when you walk off an airplane...

Buh-Bye!!!
 
Saw this little bit deep in the suite...

Specifically, we recently
proposed a $75,000 forfeiture against a
manufacturer for advertising one model of an
unauthorized device in various venues, and
proposed a $125,000 forfeiture against a retailer
for selling several models of unauthorized devices
on thirteen occasions.

I wonder if GC, MF and all the small mom and pop music stores across the US are going to be herded into this suit as well..??

--
Rob
 
kid klash said:
The $1M fine is just the beginning.

I'm guessing that ALL the inventory in the U.S. will be impounded (not just the inventory in Behringers warehouses, but also in their distributors warehouses and stores), so all the distributors will expect to be paid for all the impounded stuff, and there'll probably be civil suits from users that have problems with their TVs, pacemakers (!) and other devices, and on and on...

No wonder they acted paranoid at the NAMM show last month when I video-taped the gear in their display!

Well, as they say when you walk off an airplane...

Buh-Bye!!!
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I wish they were that harsh, but according to the doc, they have 30 days to show that all the products in question can meet compliance.
Unbelievable, they said some of thier products passed CE, so they figure everything is OK? Come on, call the commerce department and revoke thier f'n import license. I'll bet Hartly and Greg are smiling big over at Peavy and Mackie. :D
 
You make it sound like Behringer is a Microsoft or Exxon or something. And I doubt that they're going to "bury" the US government in millions of dollars in legal costs.
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Didn't mean to imply that... I was just using that as an example of Behringer's "untouchable" attitude. Many of the manufacturers that they copy are fairly small outfits, and just don't have the time or resources to fight Behringer in court. So they sit back, grimmace and bear it, and hope their product wins on quality... Behringer knows this, or they wouldn't operate in the manner they do...

The same attitude carried over with this FCC filing... "They can't touch us"... but you know... they can. They deserve everything they get on this one... finally called on the carpet...

A million bucks ain't that much to these guys... but the loss of future US sales... huge, and probably something they didn't foresee
 
kid klash said:
The $1M fine is just the beginning.

I'm guessing that ALL the inventory in the U.S. will be impounded (not just the inventory in Behringers warehouses, but also in their distributors warehouses and stores), so all the distributors will expect to be paid for all the impounded stuff, and there'll probably be civil suits from users that have problems with their TVs, pacemakers (!) and other devices, and on and on...
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I think that is an overestimation of the situation. Behringer already has 28 of the 66 products tested, the rest will get tested real quick. This is only a proposed fine, they can and will contest the amount.

My reaction reading the FCC finding was that Behringer's first two responses to the FCC's ROIs were very amateurish, and probably handled by their internal legal department, which is probably more experienced in patent matters :rolleyes:

If they haven't already, and I suspect that they have, they will hire a firm experienced in FCC regulatory matters, and settle this quietly and for quite a bit less money.

Of course lawyers with that kind of experience tend to have really high hourly rates :D
 
mshilarious said:
I think that is an overestimation of the situation. Behringer already has 28 of the 66 products tested, the rest will get tested real quick. This is only a proposed fine, they can and will contest the amount.

My reaction reading the FCC finding was that Behringer's first two responses to the FCC's ROIs were very amateurish, and probably handled by their internal legal department, which is probably more experienced in patent matters :rolleyes:

If they haven't already, and I suspect that they have, they will hire a firm experienced in FCC regulatory matters, and settle this quietly and for quite a bit less money.

Of course lawyers with that kind of experience tend to have really high hourly rates :D
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Well, maybe you're right.

But considering all the bad PR they're getting, between copying other designs, poor workmanship and now EMI compliance issues, I'm guessing they'll lose some distributors, dealers and customers in the long run. I can't think of any other "major" manufacturer with such a long rap sheet...
 
arcaxis said:
Maybe the FCC's budget got chopped and they're looking for anything they can grab to make up the deficit.
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:D :D :D :D :D
 
kid klash said:
Well, maybe you're right.

But considering all the bad PR they're getting, between copying other designs, poor workmanship and now EMI compliance issues, I'm guessing they'll lose some distributors, dealers and customers in the long run. I can't think of any other "major" manufacturer with such a long rap sheet...
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Hasn't up to this point... as long as people buy it (and they do)... venders will sell it (and they do too). Most consumers will never hear of this... not exactly front page news...
 
arcaxis said:
Maybe the FCC's budget got chopped and they're looking for anything they can grab to make up the deficit.
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It's possible the other manufacturers are not in compliance, or they might be OK having the certification printed in the manual.

In Behringer's case, it's pretty clear what happened: somebody filed a complaint. Says so right in the FCC notice.

Fines imposed by an agency usually go straight to the Treasury; they aren't credited to that agency's budget, they aren't like fees in that regard. Interestingly I had a look at the FCC's budget; they are essentially funded entirely through user fees.
 
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