Bass sounds from a guitar?

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Can anyone recommend a method for producing a decent bass track with a guitar? Effects pedal? Plugin? I use a Taylor acoustic/electric through a Mackie 408M powered mixer and a Strat through a TopHat King Royal.

I've seen but never heard a Boss Octave pedal, which is supposed to produce 3 tones, one an octave above, one an octive below, and one 2 octaves below the original tone. The level of each tone is adjustable, but I'm not sure if you can reduce the level of the original tone so that all you hear is one of the lower tones by itself.

Any recommendations, advice, insights one the best way to do this?

Thanks, guys
 
If you need to do this for a recording (i.e. in the short term) I would recommend heading down to your local family owned music store and renting a basic bass for a week or two.

Renting gear is a great way of getting what you need when you need it, for a specific project.

If you want to do this ongoing, the Boss unit sounds pretty good, but I wouldn't use it in a studio - one can hear a little grunge if you are careful.

Through an amp its not too bad.
 
just get a cheap bass...fairly decent ones can be had for $100-$150 new, cheaper in the pawn shops....
 
I've thought about getting a "cheap" bass but have decided against it for various reasons; the biggest reason being that it's kinda hard to hide another instrument from my old lady...and money's a little tight right now since we're in the middle of renovating our house. An effects pedal would sorta "blend" in with all my other pedals and go totally unnoticed...In a pinch, I could even toss a sock over it for quick concealment. A plug-in would be even easier to hide--just hit alt-F4 if I hear footsteps : )
 
what are you recording on?....if you are on a pc you could do a midi bass track....

way back when i was in the same predictament (spelling?) and i went with midi bass and drums until i could afford better......
 
The band Local H is just a guitarist and a drummer. The guitarist splits the outputs from his axe (I don't know what he uses, unfortunately) into a guitar amp and a bass amp. It sounds pretty good. Not quite like a bass, but similar. On the CD that I have by them, there's a picture of the guy's pedalboard behind the CD tray, and among the effects is a Boss Octaver. I've also used this box, as my dad owns one. It's pretty cool. I've never played with cancelling out the original tone, though.
 
I'm recording on a PC, but I tend to shy away from midi for bass lines with all the acoustic guitar stuff I'm doing...The artificial sound of it seems intensified when coupled with acoustic guitar I think.

The Boss Octaver seems like the way to go... Mars Music has them new for $90, and I've seen a couple on Ebay for around $50 plus shipping. If I don't like it, I can always put it back on Ebay I reckon. I'm just getting into this--using N-track with SBLive. So, with soundcard upgrades and all that to think about down the road, I'm gravitating towards a cheap solution for the time being, and it looks like the Octaver is it, unless there's a decen plug-in around.

I'd love to hear some of that band Local H. I wonder if they have anything posted on the web.

Thanks, guys.
 
Other than the suggestions above -- buying a bass, pedals, etc. , I've gotten good results with guitar, and bassy eq set up. What helps is heavier strings -- I use 11-52s. Also, attacking with your thumb helps too. Remember bass is just not an instrument, it fills a specific space in the eq spectrum.

If you go to this link http://www.home.earthlink.net/~adamcrose/index.html, you can listen to 'closer' - The main riff is just an old danelectro 1 p/u guitar (24" scale) with 11's, tuned regularly. When people hear it they often think it is a bass. I used a rocktron pro gap and power amp into a marshall 2x12. The eq setting was full out bass, medium-high treble, little mids (scooped sound). Usually I don't like this sound for guitar, but for something like this it worked well.

I've also had good results using a 1x15 speaker and another guitar.

I am just trying to suggest things that won't require additional purchases.
 
Thanks for the suggestion. This link was expired or something... But I can try messing with my acoustic/electric, which has 13's on it. If I put 11's on my strat, I'd need some superglue for my fingertips-- ala Stevie Ray. :-)
 
Thanks for listening and for the feedback. I noticed you live in Richmond. There are a few others on this board too from there.

I am hoping to move there from NYC within the year.

How do you find the music scene? Do you find that there is a good community of musicians?
 
Richmond is a very low-key, conservative place. A great place to raise a family and to swap any NY real estate investment you may have for a sprawling estate, by comparison (I have family in Great Neck and a buddy who moved here from eslewhere in Long Island). I've lived here all of my 32 years and have a fairly good knowledge of the comparitive merits of the different areas of the city should you ever have any questions.

I haven't been much into the live music scene since getting fat and domesticated a few years back, but I've seen the live offerings improve greatly since an old, pre-Civil War warehouse area of the city was resuscitated a few years back with the construction of a federally funded floodwall, which stopped the James River from swamping the whole area about every couple of years. All these old warehouses were converted into bars, restaurants, and clubs. The area's called Shockoe Bottom, and you can always find a variety of live acts on most any given night. Every time I visit this area--about every 3 months or so--it seems to have expanded. I hope the trend continues, because the place has sort of a bohemian, New Orleans feel to it (but don't expect anything close to Greenwich Village or New Orleans.

A couple miles west of this area is the VCU/Fan area, where townhouses and a bohemian feel also predominate. VCU (Virginia Commonwealth University) has an acclaimed music program, with lots of associated events and cool things emanating from it.

Richmond has the usual array of music festivals and such scattered throughout the year that are quite worthwhile, especially June Jubilee, which should be starting soon. National acts do come here, and there are some wonderful venues for them, large and small.

If I had to describe the modest Richmond music scene briefly, I'd say it's eclectic. Although Richmond is an old Southern capital, it's also within 500 miles of half the entire population of the US. That makes it quite a cultural crossroads (even though certain areas seem extremely WASPy). In fact, Richmond is constantly being used as a "test-market" by many companies that recognize the variety of its population's make-up. The music scene seems to reflect that variety: just about every genre seems to have it's own "society"--I personally belong to the "blues society" and try to bring my axe to as many free-jam's as possible, though I'm slacking lately.

(Sorry if I'm going on too long, but I'm not sure what your aspirations or interests are musically)

The last few times I caught live shows in NYC, I noticed them passing a hat (or bucket) around between sets to fund the band. It doesn't work this way in Richmond. I know several professional acts that make a living playing live (without a day job, even). They get like a flat fee plus a percentage of the door plus a percentage of the bar--or whatever combination they negotiate for. This one girl I know gets like $500-$1500 a night (depending on where she's playing and whether she's doing it solo or with her 4-piece band), and she works 5 nights a week...2 weeks off for vacation. Imagine!!!!!!

The proximity of Richmond to D.C., Baltimore, Virginia Beach, etc. is kinda cool in that if there's a national act or something you're interested in that's not around the corner, you're a short ride away. (And during your trip home you can giggle at those folks who spent as much on their 2-bedroom Georgetown condo as you did on your 3-story, five bedroom, 1.5 acre country club home in southside Richmond--with some of the best public schools in the country I might add).

Well, anyway, hope I've given you some insight. Lemme know if I can help more. I do know a bit about the area...where to get the most "bang for your buck" in terms of buying a house and things like that. My email is kclark01@comcast.net.

Good luck!
 
Why, yes. About halfway through a 12-pack I start typing away for some reason. Since you mentioned it, here's the recipe:

Chocolate Log Recipie
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2 pkts. plain biscuits

1 pkt. walnuts

Plain Chocolate

6 tbs.icing sugar

3 tbs. hot water

3 tbs. drinking chocolate powder

Brandy


Crush the biscuits into crumbs, cut walnuts into chunks and mix in a bowl. Add the icing sugar, drinking chocolate powder and some brandy to taste. Mix everything together and mix and mould into a shape of a log. Melt plain chocolate and cover the log. While chocolate is still warm pass fork over it to give the effect of a log. Enjoy :)
 
Didn't GWAR come out of VCU? Richmond, if you don't get shot or thrown into a bible study class, is a very nice place. It helps if you have a car to drive away from it. :D
 
The BOSS pedal produces the following three tones:
1 tone 2 octaves below
1 tone 1 octave below
1 tone original pitch, in reality just a direct out.
 
Is that Octave pedal similar to the old Octopus pedal with more flexibility in terms of octave manipulation?
 
Don't know what you mean about flexibility, it justs creates 2 additional tones which you blend with the direct out via 3 volume knobs - that's it. The thing to go for in an octave pedal is fast and good tracking of notes which I believe the BOSS manages to do.
 
Evildick said:
Didn't GWAR come out of VCU? Richmond, if you don't get shot or thrown into a bible study class, is a very nice place. It helps if you have a car to drive away from it. :D

Yeah, GWAR came out of VCU...So did I for that matter. The dangerous area is a few miles east and is pretty concentrated (I used to work on an ambulance crew in that area.) So, far I've avoided both getting shot and being thrown into bible class; although, I did once go to a titty bar that was across the street from a Pentacostal church, which is as close as I've gotten to bible class thus far.
 
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