Basic Question from a newbie about volume

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Hey all, I'm JT, new guy. I just started recording at home, and I have a question that I'm sure someone here can help with. I'm using Garageband, and I"m using Guitar Rig and EZ Drummer. I can get a pretty decent mix going, the problem is, is that when I export the song to...say itunes or a CD, the volume is quite low compared to everything else on my ipod. For example, if I'm listening to Devin Townsend at volume '5' out of 10 on my radio, I have to turn the radio all the way up to 10 to have my recording be the same volume as Devins. Now, I've experimented and turned my track volumes all the way up, as well as the master volume on garageband, to no avail. I also have the volume all the way up on EZ Drums and Guitar Rig (both on the software and interface) Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks so much!
 
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Unfortunately when people ask this question, they usually get an answer that makes them think that compressors and limiters are horrible things that should never be spoken of, let alone actually handled...but compression and limiting are EXACTLY what makes the difference in 'loudness' between commercial productions and 'amateur' ones. If commercial music sounds good to your ears, then you MUST compress your stuff if you ever hope to attain that sound. There is no way around it.

Learn about compression, apply liberally to every element of your mix, and you will start to get up to that 'loudness' level of commercial productions.

Here's an excellent place to start (written by the member of this board "SouthsideGLEN" even): http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/compuncomp/index.htm

That said - even though I usually vomit in my mouth a little bit when people start saying how much better old, mono, total crap recordings sound than modern commercial recordings (just vomited a bit thinking about it) - I'll be the first to tell you that until you get a firm mastery over compression, you will probably do more harm than good abusing it...but once you get it down, life is good :D
 
Just to check, since you didn't mention it explicitly.

How loud are the peaks of your recording? Is there room to actually increase the volume of the track overall before applying compression? (The way I check this is to open my final mix in Audacity, highlight the whole track, and click the "amplify" effect. If it says that I can't amplify any more without clipping, then it's maxed out.)

That being said, Typhoid is probably right. You probably want to compress your songs.
 
My peaks are pretty high. Sometimes they're getting into the red. I know you don't want that, but I was experimenting to see if it helped, it didn't, not much anyway. I think the compression issue is a good starting point. Any tips on what sort of settings are good for rock/metal music? (Compression wise) And lastly, is it possible that its an issue with garageband? Thank you guys so much for your help.
 
Think I figured it out

Thanks for your help everyone!! What the problem was, was that on garageband it has an auto normalizing sequence when it exports a track. I know that often, this tool is used to make things louder, but in my case, it made things quieter...too much so. So when I turned that off I was free to raise the master volume and gain from garageband itself, and have that be the volume that the track exported at. Now I have to reign myself in so I don't make it too loud and distort things, haha. Thanks again for your help!!
 
While you found your answer I had $.02 to throw in. Seeing as your new to the stuff an all, and I like to throw helpful info out when I can. When your tracks are going past 0.0db you are clipping. So yeah going into the red is normally bad, I'm on PC, and have never used garage band. But, it's pretty standard for red to mean your clipping (or distorting so to speak).

You will have quite a few people tell you compression, and EQ's are what you need for just about any thing you ask. This is not always the case. While you will need them, and there is no doubt about that. Learn to get as close to the sound you want with out them first. I'm not saying to ignore them, but get a good grasp on sound before trying to sculpt it. You have to learn to draw a circle before you can make a sphere. I wish i had when I started, but alas I had no one to learn from in the beginning.

Metal... it's fun to play, and can be one hell of of a mother to record. Some times it's easy, other times your trying to fish the gold out of the garbage, and you WILL want to pull your hair out (assuming you have it). Personally for learning concepts I suggest creating retarded, crap pop-ish tracks. Metal can some times be a horrible way to learn. There tends to be so much going on it can be difficult to hone your ear, and you need to hone your ear/learn to listen. With metal every thing needs to be loud, but yet occupy its own sonic spot. It can be easy, but often is a just a pain in the rear. Save your self time 'n stress, and learn concepts (like how to properly use compression for example) by creating simple songs then go from there.

Out side of that read any bit of info you come across. No matter what genre it's geared for. Odds are you will learn a little something.

That's my story Samson, and I'm stickin to it.
 
.for learning concepts I suggest creating ritarded, crap pop-ish tracks.

This is a music forum, let's use applicable terminology. :D

Yeah, hardwire made some good points here. You need to learn to crawl before you can walk.

Make some mixes, post 'em in the mp3 mixing clinic, get some feedback, get better. It's the way to go.
 
My peaks are pretty high. Sometimes they're getting into the red.

You found your problem, but its not the PEAKS that you want to work on; its the AVERAGE level of the file....

Read, read, read.... there are websites and books out there on MASTERING. Google is your friend.
 
awesome

Wow guys, thank you all so much for your awesome advice. I'm learning a lot from everything you're all saying, compression helped a ton, but finding that normalize thing made it so that i could bring my volumes down so they weren't clipping anymore but still raise my master volume to make the final product sound comparable to commercial CD volume. Hardwire is totally right, I can't very well produce a Between the Buried and Me style recording if I can't do a Goo Goo Dolls style recording. Thanks again everyone!! Keep sending stuff to me, haha, I still need it. If anyone can recommend some good books to read about mixing/mastering I'd appreciate it!!
 
.for learning concepts I suggest creating ritarded, crap pop-ish tracks.


... DOH!:mad:
 
Oh great.. Mr. Tim OBrien is asking our newb to join the Loudness War. Leave the peaks, son, but don't let it clip!!!
 
Oh great.. Mr. Tim OBrien is asking our newb to join the Loudness War. Leave the peaks, son, but don't let it clip!!!

uhhh... Our "newb" has been here almost a year longer than you, bud. Check the year in that postdate again. :D
 
Oh great.. Mr. Tim OBrien is asking our newb to join the Loudness War. Leave the peaks, son, but don't let it clip!!!

How do you figure that?

That's the most spectacular conclusion jump I've seen for a while!

"Mr. Tim OBrien" was actually encouraging the OP to learn about waveform structure and dynamics; sound I advice, I suggest.
 
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