Bands playing Not so Live ....OT

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I saw Oingo Boingo fall apart on stage one time during a song called "just another day". The sequenced stuff just completely went apeshit. It wasn't pretty.

Danny shrugged it off, the techs rebooted the system and they launched into another song without missing (any more) beats.
 
Hasn't Greenday had another guitar player since '99 or so?

He's a friend of Billie Joe's. I've seen them twice 2001 (Wembley) and 2005 (MK bowl) and both times they had the guitarist. To my knowledge he only plays the gigs and not on the records. He isn't recognised as a member of the band; more like a session player.
 
Last week i saw a semi pro emo type band playing, two guitars, bass and drums. In order to look cute, they all start clapping their hands over their heads. Meanwhile, the bass line that was throughout the song, kept going, as well as guitar and even a bit of a horn section

Where did you see this? Also, is there any Clips on YouTube?
 
Hasn't Greenday had another guitar player since '99 or so?

Yup, saw them featured on muchmusic years back, he played the songs with them, but when it came time to do the interview, he was not there.

This whole thing with bands not playing there material live is actually the main reason I stopped going to big production shows. It seems that very few 'big' bands actually stil do a 'live' show. I go to local bars and support the musicians that still play their music while onstage, instead of doing the highschool airband thing. It's too bad really, but kinda reflects the whole industry, doesn't it? (the big companies anyways) You know, play the guitar line once to the click, cut and paste, and voila, the next billboard hit.
 
one thing to keep in mind as well is many bands will use a delay peddle to loop a guitar part (for example) and they're able to layer and play things over the top of that. i've seen some very cool stuff done by guitarists that you'd swear was done by 4 different guys.
 
Here's the way you can tell:

If there are 100 parts being played and only 3 people on stage, some of it is probably canned. I do it in my band, but since we only have a guitarist, singer and drummer when you hear the bass and keyboards, it's pretty obvious.

DO you have any video/audio samples of your live shows on the web?

That's what our band is: drummer, guitarist and a vocalist... everyone every is very good and we don't want to spoil it with a mediocre bass player.... can't seem to find a good bassist (who'll play for free)
 
By free do you mean "part of the band and not getting paid just like the rest of us" or "session musician who isn't getting paid"? 'cause I'd think the second one would be really hard to find. As a bassist, I'd hate to be the only one on stage not getting paid!
 
DO you have any video/audio samples of your live shows on the web?

That's what our band is: drummer, guitarist and a vocalist... everyone every is very good and we don't want to spoil it with a mediocre bass player.... can't seem to find a good bassist (who'll play for free)
I'll see if I can dig something up, not making any promises.
 
By free do you mean "part of the band and not getting paid just like the rest of us" or "session musician who isn't getting paid"? 'cause I'd think the second one would be really hard to find. As a bassist, I'd hate to be the only one on stage not getting paid!


I think he means that they don't make much money as a band thus none of them are getting much money.. at least that's what I hope...


I don't really see super lots wrong with having programmed stuff in the live show if it's done tastefully.

Hell I might be venturing into this.. thinking about doing some extensive solo stuff (unless an old friend of mine gets back to town then it'll be a duo)

In which case at least 50% of the live show will be "fake"

check out this guy

http://www.myspace.com/waxmannequin

absolutely AMAZING live show... he almost creates another world on stage... it's just him and his guitar.. and the programmed tracks.
 
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Groups like RUSH use sequencers and recorded tracks because there arent enough members and Geddy cant do all that fancy keyboard playing.

He used to, I think. In about 1981/82 when they were doing the Moving Pictures tour, he would sing, play bass, bass pedals and the Oberheim - although not generally all at once, and often he was just triggering sounds, like the sweep on Tom Sawyer. 'Course then MIDI came along and they started to use sequencers instead.

That I would have liked to have seen. The only time I got to see them was in 2004, and of course it was mostly automated by that point. Still fun though.

I also saw Rick Wakeman in 2000. He generally played lead - sometimes accompaniments at the same time - but he had a CD player or suchlike for the backings. Not that I'm complaining.

I don't have any right to complain anyway, because everything I have done was programmed except for the vocals and a few odd things like spoon solos, tape manipulation and 'playing' the echoplexer feedback.
It's one of the main reasons I've never seriously considered doing a gig, because all of it's preprogrammed. Of course there would seem to be a market for that now. On the Waldorf list I heard of a gig where someone just took in a laptop. That was it. They just sat in front of it, playing minesweeper for all we know.
If I ever do try a gig, the plan is to bring a bunch of gear, have some kind of video projection or other diversions in an attempt to give people their money's worth. And use a different version of the song to the album version. But I'd never try to hide the fact that I wasn't playing.
 
I'd like to say

If you're not using some kind of synthesized bit or something you can't recreate live, I figure you shouldn't be doing it at all.

You realize there are people that can PLAY It's Gonna Rain? It involves using two repetitive piano pieces, playing at slightly different speeds, that phase in and out of each other.

That's some extreme musical discipline. Now, you'd like to tell me you and your band can't play your 4/4 chi-chi-boom power chord punk rock live? Bullshiz.
 
You realize there are people that can PLAY It's Gonna Rain? It involves using two repetitive piano pieces, playing at slightly different speeds, that phase in and out of each other.
I listened to a minute and a half, is there a song eventually or should I ask you for my time back?
 
Well

It's a minimalist piece involving two tape loops running at two slightly different speeds. Listen to it for awhile... it gets weird.

And that's only about half of it. I need to find a full version.
 
You realize there are people that can PLAY It's Gonna Rain? It involves using two repetitive piano pieces, playing at slightly different speeds, that phase in and out of each other.

I listened to a minute and a half, is there a song eventually or should I ask you for my time back?

I thought it was going to be piano.

That's how they get ya - tell ya one thing, then its completely different - often its just propaganda. Works every time :p
 
That's some extreme musical discipline. Now, you'd like to tell me you and your band can't play your 4/4 chi-chi-boom power chord punk rock live? Bullshiz.
Tell me about it. I always think of myself as a composer. I reject being called a musician because that implies some ability to actually play an instrument, which I do not so far possess.
 
One of my favourite bands Feeder use a backing tracks which have strings on, this is used songs such as Just The Way I'm Feeling but they whole band still plays live and there's nothing else on the backing track.

It's shows such as TOTP & CDUK which bands mime on as it's such a tight schedule they don't have time to check all the equipment and sounds etc, it's also sometimes considered risky by record labels to play new singles live on TV incase there's mess ups etc.

I helped an audio company out at a Lil' Chris gig recently (People in the UK will know who he is) - The drummer brought along drum pads and dud cymbals, as well as this he played very lightly too, so not go make a lot of noise. Lil Chris actualy sang live & there was a live backing vocal by the female bassist, the guitarist played live over a backing track, the bass was not live. Their manager was stood next to me at the side pressing play on a CD which had Drums, Guitar & Bass on.

The awful thing is, there were 4 live bands on that night, and Lil Chris headlined, everthing was there for them to play live - but they didn't.
 
yeah that's kinda weak..

I dunno as I mentioned before this can be done very well.. and very tatefully but shouldn't be used because of lazyness or lack of ability.
 
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