Bad bad bad....vibrations

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RAMI said:
I agree. And that's a good tip., setting the drum levels for the most raucous part of the tune and leaving them there. Good one. Thanx Greg. :cool:
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Yeah and like that, if everything else is done properly, the drums won't be overpowering, but they'll always be there owning their space. And it especially works if you're the type that pans the guitars wide. Know what I mean? Of course it depends on the song as always, but for folks like you and me, even though are styles are different, the drums and bass typically drive the song regardless of what the guitars are doing. Set it and forget it works.
 
Greg_L said:
Yeah and like that, if everything else is done properly, the drums won't be overpowering, but they'll always be there owning their space. And it especially works if you're the type that pans the guitars wide. Know what I mean? Of course it depends on the song as always, but for folks like you and me, even though are styles are different, the drums and bass typically drive the song regardless of what the guitars are doing. Set it and forget it works.
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Makes sense. I'm in.

I'm going to stop being conservative with my drums. I think I started doing that about a year or so ago. I guess the odd comment here and there, combined with the fact that I am a drummer made me start thinking "Don't mix like a drummer", and I got a little conservative because I didn't want to be one "those guys", like when you can instantly tell the bass player mixed the tune. because that's all you can hear. :D

Fuck that. The drums will rock again. We will prevail!!!!!!!!!


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Just did another mix and brought the snare mic up again. I'm getting used to it Can't believe I thought it was too loud 8db's ago. :D

Keep the advice coming, I still have 11dbs on that snare before it hits zero. :laughings:
 
I need to re-do a few vocal lines that I don't like. So this is definitely not the final mix. I knew that when I posted. I always re-mix a few times after posting and getting advice. :cool:
 
Yeah, definitely way better. The snare seems cleaner and tighter and the weird OH wongoness seems to have been minimized. The guitars fill in nicely.
 
Greg_L said:
Yeah, definitely way better. The snare seems cleaner and tighter and the weird OH wongoness seems to have been minimized. The guitars fill in nicely.
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Cool. Thanx as always for your help. You're about the only person here who I take everything you say as pretty much gospel when it comes to mix advice.

Not to say many others don't have valid opinions, but I don't remember ever trying something you suggested and it being wrong.

I have to re-do 2 vocal lines in the first verse and I might move on at that point.
 
I read somewhere that in rock/pop music, the snare should be the loudest instrument and I think that's so right. In my more recent attempts I've brought the snare right up and it sounds great.

Rami, you get such a nice, clear vocal - may I ask what's your signal chain (i.e. Mic, preamp/interface; and if there's a particular compressor you use on them)? Thanks in advance.
 
jonny deep said:
Rami, you get such a nice, clear vocal - may I ask what's your signal chain (i.e. Mic, preamp/interface; and if there's a particular compressor you use on them)? Thanks in advance.
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Thanx a lot. Pretty simple chain. AKG C3000b into a TASCAM us800, into REAPER.

I usually EQ with ReEQ and, in this tune, went for about 6db of reduction on the Waves Renaissance Compressor. Also in this tune, the lead vocals in the verses has a slap back delay on it.
 
Thanks man. I just did a fresh install of windows and have installed Reaper (bye bye, Cubase, you fat sack of shit). Reaper opens in less than a second!

Anyway, I'm excited about starting recording with it - I have comparable equipment to you, so I guess I need to work on my mic and warmup techniques a little! Also, I guess the room is the major factor - do you use absorption around the mic (like a vocal booth type setup or some sort of arrangement of broadband absorbers)?
 
jonny deep said:
Thanks man. I just did a fresh install of windows and have installed Reaper (bye bye, Cubase, you fat sack of shit). Reaper opens in less than a second!

Anyway, I'm excited about starting recording with it - I have comparable equipment to you, so I guess I need to work on my mic and warmup techniques a little! Also, I guess the room is the major factor - do you use absorption around the mic (like a vocal booth type setup or some sort of arrangement of broadband absorbers)?
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Good luck with all that. I know the feeling of excitement about a new piece of gear, software, instrument, room treatment. We're all a bunch of kids when it comes to that. :cool:

I have a pretty well treated room now. I had some treatment before, but I built a bunch of bass traps 2 weeks ago and now it's really tight.

I hope this link will take you to the right page in this thread (because the thread has 356 pages to it).

This is a few pictures of my space:

https://homerecording.com/bbs/gener...ing-display/let-me-see-your-studio-70931/352/

Yup! 3rd post down on that page is my studio.
 
Sounds great dude. Moving a few faders around makes a huge difference.
 
Mmm sounds like good vibrations to me. :listeningmusic:

The kick lacks a bit of low end boom, but that's just my preference. I enjoy the part where the vocals and guitar follow the same melody. It adds a neat dynamic to the song. Nice timing twists at the end there. Maybe the verses could use a little something to fill them out? Maybe a keyboard part that just lies nicely behind the guitars. That just about sums it up for me! I haven't been on homerecording.com for a while, so it's nice to hear the familiars. Now onto Gerg's stuff!
 
Yep, that one's much better. Sounds really tight now. Nice work!
 
Wow. This thread got really long really fast.

So I've only heard the most recent mix (4th?) But it sounds pretty good.

Your vocals on the bridge sound almost exactly like Weird Al. Good times!
 
VomitHatSteve said:
Wow. This thread got really long really fast.

So I've only heard the most recent mix (4th?) But it sounds pretty good.

Your vocals on the bridge sound almost exactly like Weird Al. Good times!
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Thanx man.

The bridge? You mean that whole harmony part (that has become known as the "Beach Boys" part)?
 
Sounds good dude- tight performances. :)
I guess this is what left-handed rock sounds like?
 
you're badass bro.
Always a good tune ..... always a good mix.
I don't hate you though ........ it's nice to hear good stuff.
 
Yo Rami, question..... I've noticed, well I think I've noticed, that maybe you've simplified your drumming some? Seems the last few songs from you have been toned down a little. That's not a bad thing. Just something I think I've noticed. A little more straight-forward? I like it. If that's true I'm kind of in the same boat myself. My next song won't have one drum fill in it. Lol.
 
fat_fleet said:
Sounds good dude- tight performances. :)
I guess this is what left-handed rock sounds like?
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Hee! Yeah, there ain't many of us LEFT.

Lt. Bob said:
you're badass bro.
Always a good tune ..... always a good mix.
I don't hate you though ........ it's nice to hear good stuff.
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Thanx dude. I really apreciate that. I love you too. :)
Greg_L said:
Yo Rami, question..... I've noticed, well I think I've noticed, that maybe you've simplified your drumming some? Seems the last few songs from you have been toned down a little. That's not a bad thing. Just something I think I've noticed. A little more straight-forward? I like it. If that's true I'm kind of in the same boat myself. My next song won't have one drum fill in it. Lol.
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Yeah, interesting you noticed that. Not really a deliberate decision, but I noticed it too. :D I think it just happens that the last 2 or 3 songs I did just didn't require any big rolls or anything other than a solid foundation.

I do appreciate a musician with good chops, but can't stand musicians that display it just to show they can. So, if a song has some room for a cool drum fill, I'll put it in. But I prefer the challenge of making the arrangement be responsible for any "build-up" or "drama", etc....instead of just throwing in a roll to make that happen.

Also, I usually build my songs up from a simple drum machine beat, the simplest beat possible. So, when I track drums last, which I almost always do, I'm already used to hearing a very simple drum track. So, anything I do beyond that will already seem too much to me at first.

I'm oretty sure your philosophy is pretty much the same (minus the tracking drums last part). :cool:
 
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