AXIS AL2 or or DW 9000?

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Im looking into buying a new double pedal, i hear some of the new ones are really nice.
I have an Iron Cobra from about 98, are these pedals a big step up? How good are they? Can anyone give me a real good description of them?
Im a metal style drummer so i want something fast easy that wont tire me out.
Im leaning towards the Axis for the Longboard and the fact that i can turn it into 2 single pedals.
Thanks for any help.


PS: Id also like to know if with a size 10 foot should i be able to do heel toe shots on a standard Iron cobra baord? Cause i cant go very fast, i feel a lack of power in my heel.
Just need more practice or what?
 
The best pedal on the market is the Axis.

Especially if you are looking for heel toe.

I do not no if a person with a 10 can HT on an Ironc Cobra, since I wear a 14! LOL

I can HT on an Axis Longboard. I've had the Longboards since around 1999...I actually got mine before the stores had them, because I knew Darrel Johnston (the guy who designed Axis pedals) was working on them. Joe Stronisck from "Ballistic Bassdrums" told me that Darrel was working on a longboard, so I called Engineered Percussion *(i.e., Axis manufacturer) and pestered the hell out of them, so they called me when they had some ready, and gave me the information codes to put them into the computer at Interstate music, and I called Interstate - put my order in, and Axis overnighted them to me free of charge.

Best damned pedals I've ever had - and I played the Regular Axis A pedals for almost 10 years prior to getting the Longboards.

Now, if you don't want the quick change feature of the A series, buy the X series. It's virtually the same pedal - the only difference is that with the A you can flip a lever to change the feel of the mallet's throw.(rather than messing with screws like every other pedal out there.)

Actually, if I were purchasing new ones - I would just buy the X's, because I don't change the mallet's throw - ever.

The key to the Axis pedal is the direct drive shaft, rather than a flexible attachment, like a chain or strap.


I'm sure that the Iron Cobra's are nice pedals, but look at the guys who hold the world record for footspeed - they all use Axis pedals - and there is a reason - itr's because the Axis simply has the fastest response.


Tim
 
Is that lever switch thing the only difference between the X and the A models? If i get a new pedal i wanna get the best possible but i dont think i need switch's like that.
 
K3rtis said:
Is that lever switch thing the only difference between the X and the A models? If i get a new pedal i wanna get the best possible but i dont think i need switch's like that.


Yes, that is the only difference.



Tim
 
Here's somtin else to look at maybe when they come out.
dwpedals.jpg
 
fldrummer said:
Here's somtin else to look at maybe when they come out.
dwpedals.jpg

That's funny. MORE Proof that Axis's design is better. :D


Tim
 
Tim Brown said:
Now, if you don't want the quick change feature of the A series, buy the X series. It's virtually the same pedal - the only difference is that with the A you can flip a lever to change the feel of the mallet's throw.(rather than messing with screws like every other pedal out there.)


Tim
Hi i was just trying to find the differnce between these two pedals (except for the price tag.) If im going to spend that much money on a pedal i want to buy the best ones!!! Anyway i was wondering if this is still the case (as this thread is old) and thats still the only differnce. Also what exactly does the flip leaver do? I persume it is on the beaters themselves cause thats the only visibly differnce. Cheers!
 
Ok I'm not sure if you're trying to compare the Axis longboards to the DW's or the Axis As to the Xs.

When comparing the Axis longboards to the DWs, it's pretty much like comparing apples to oranges. If you ever go from a "regular" pedal like iron cobras, dws, or whatever to the longboards, chances are the switch won't be smooth at first. They feel WAY different. The Axis pedals are way smoother than even the DW 9000s (I've owned both) so you may actually find yourself playing faster than you want (it may feel like your feet are getting carried away) until you get used to them.

The main issue with the longboards is that you have more surface area, and it's basically a matter of leverage. When you place the ball of your foot down towards those last couple inches of the longboard (assuming you play heel up), you barely have to move your foot to get the full range of motion out of the beater. Therefore it's easier to play fast and your endurance is increased greatly, as you're doing less work to get the same motion from the beater.

I use Axis ALs now, and I could never go back to DWs or any other pedals without quite a bit of struggling. On the Axis pedals I often play "double bass" parts with just my right foot because it sounds more solid and I don't get worn out on the Axis pedals. Some may consider using such an unconventional product cheating in a way, but what would you rather do, ride a horse or drive a car to work?

I think the main downside to the Axis pedals is that they're so different from other pedals that theres no real going back once you get used to them, and if you use them all the time, and something goes wrong and you have to borrow some iron cobras or something good luck. You're going to struggle. I bought a second backup set just for this reason.

Also I don't care for the Sonic Hammer beaters the A series pedals come with. They sound too weak or something. Danmar wood beaters or even Iron Cobra beaters sound much better, so you'll probably want to switch them.

Now if you were just asking about the differences between the Axis As and the Axis Xs, don't let the pictures on musiciansfriend fool you. I think they have the same set of pedals with different beaters in their pics. In reality, the A's come with sonic hammer beaters, which are kind of lame, and they have little levers that change the leverage point for the direct drive "strap". If you set it all the way back, a little bit of pedal movement equals a lot of beater movement. If you set it to the front, you have to move the pedal a bit further to get the same movement, but you also get more power. I keep it at about 75% towards the front. The X's have more standard beaters which probably sound beater than the Sonic Hammers, and they don't have the variable drive lever, so you're stuck with one setting. From the photographs, it seems to be at about the point where the variable drive lever on the A's would be if it were set fully forward.

Damn that was a long post. I hope it answers your question.
 
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I've used both alot, I was in love with the axis, until I bought my 9000 titanium (I also use the regular 9000), it feels better to me and my heel toe is smoother and more even. The End (of the thread...maybe...?) :rolleyes:
 
Uladine said:
Ok I'm not sure if you're trying to compare the Axis longboards to the DW's or the Axis As to the Xs.

When comparing the Axis longboards to the DWs, it's pretty much like comparing apples to oranges. If you ever go from a "regular" pedal like iron cobras, dws, or whatever to the longboards, chances are the switch won't be smooth at first. They feel WAY different. The Axis pedals are way smoother than even the DW 9000s (I've owned both) so you may actually find yourself playing faster than you want (it may feel like your feet are getting carried away) until you get used to them.

The main issue with the longboards is that you have more surface area, and it's basically a matter of leverage. When you place the ball of your foot down towards those last couple inches of the longboard (assuming you play heel up), you barely have to move your foot to get the full range of motion out of the beater. Therefore it's easier to play fast and your endurance is increased greatly, as you're doing less work to get the same motion from the beater.

I use Axis ALs now, and I could never go back to DWs or any other pedals without quite a bit of struggling. On the Axis pedals I often play "double bass" parts with just my right foot because it sounds more solid and I don't get worn out on the Axis pedals. Some may consider using such an unconventional product cheating in a way, but what would you rather do, ride a horse or drive a car to work?

I think the main downside to the Axis pedals is that they're so different from other pedals that theres no real going back once you get used to them, and if you use them all the time, and something goes wrong and you have to borrow some iron cobras or something good luck. You're going to struggle. I bought a second backup set just for this reason.

Also I don't care for the Sonic Hammer beaters the A series pedals come with. They sound too weak or something. Danmar wood beaters or even Iron Cobra beaters sound much better, so you'll probably want to switch them.

Now if you were just asking about the differences between the Axis As and the Axis Xs, don't let the pictures on musiciansfriend fool you. I think they have the same set of pedals with different beaters in their pics. In reality, the A's come with sonic hammer beaters, which are kind of lame, and they have little levers that change the leverage point for the direct drive "strap". If you set it all the way back, a little bit of pedal movement equals a lot of beater movement. If you set it to the front, you have to move the pedal a bit further to get the same movement, but you also get more power. I keep it at about 75% towards the front. The X's have more standard beaters which probably sound beater than the Sonic Hammers, and they don't have the variable drive lever, so you're stuck with one setting. From the photographs, it seems to be at about the point where the variable drive lever on the A's would be if it were set fully forward.

Damn that was a long post. I hope it answers your question.
Jesus thanks alot, just one more thing, is it worth spending the extra cash for the a's rather than the x's even if i was going to get differnt beaters (as you said they were lame) ?
 
Personally I don't think it's worth the extra cash unless you're going to try to break speed records. When you set the lever fully back theres no real power involved, it's just wicked speed and almost useless in my eyes. Even with the lever on the A I keep it pretty close to where it's permanently fixed on the X version, so yea, the X's would be fine. I was actually going to order some but they couldn't find them in the guitar center database when I went to order them so I just plopped down some extra cash for another set of A's.
 
I actually hated the Axis when I tried it out and I love my Iron Cobra, so I wouldn't even spend the extra money there.

And the DW felt better to me than the Axis. But it's all really subjective anyway, going down to Guitar Center and spend an afternoon playing around with all of them is your best bet.
 
Yes, thats one thing I should've mentioned. For every couple people that like Axis pedals, theres someone that hates them. I didn't like my first set, but I don't think I gave them enough time, either. They feel extremely different from any other pedal, so don't expect to jump right on and start jamming away, a test drive would be your best bet, but a couple hours may or may not be enough time to get you comfortable with them. Perhaps try getting a set from somewhere with a satisfaction garantee, (I think Guitar Center has a 30 or 45 day money back garantee) so you can give them a good test run for a few days before deciding to stick with them.
 
Uladine said:
Yes, thats one thing I should've mentioned. For every couple people that like Axis pedals, theres someone that hates them. I didn't like my first set, but I don't think I gave them enough time, either. They feel extremely different from any other pedal, so don't expect to jump right on and start jamming away, a test drive would be your best bet, but a couple hours may or may not be enough time to get you comfortable with them. Perhaps try getting a set from somewhere with a satisfaction garantee, (I think Guitar Center has a 30 or 45 day money back garantee) so you can give them a good test run for a few days before deciding to stick with them.
Yer, its just i live in England except im visiting my Uncle in Chicago in the summer so i wont be able to use them untill i get back here - i will test them out at Guitar center but as far as i know you cant buy them from na English shop! Thanks
 
Yea that might be a problem with the whole money back guarantee thing. If you're down to make the adjustment to the different feel of the axis pedals and you're looking for speed and ergonimics then I'd say just go for it.
 
Uladine said:
Yea that might be a problem with the whole money back guarantee thing. If you're down to make the adjustment to the different feel of the axis pedals and you're looking for speed and ergonimics then I'd say just go for it.
Yer i will be able to get my money back by selling it on ebay over here anyway!
 
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