avalon 737sp

[zealous]

Does anybody use tha avalon 737sp what the best settings for vocals

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Zealous, you might as well ask owners of BMW 5 series what's the best direction to turn the steering wheel.

G.

 

[zealous]

avalon

Zealous, you might as well ask owners of BMW 5 series what's the best direction to turn the steering wheel.

G.

what does that mean

 

[zealous]

what does that mean

jus kidding

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Kidding or not let me make it clearer:

There is no "right setting for vocals" any more than there is a right direction to turn a steering wheel on the car for "asphalt roads".

What kind of vocals and vocalist? Tenor, soprano? Male, female? What genre of music? Hip hop, country, techno or opera? What kind of microphone? SM58, NT2 or U87? How well does the vocalist know how to "work the mic"? What's the recording environment? Vocal booth, sooundstage, bedroom or outdoors? I could keep going...

There are no "right settings". There is only the knowledge of how to use a piece of gear.

G.

 

[Richard Monroe]

Sorry, Zealous, but Glen has given you an honest answer. The settings on *any* piece of equipment in the signal chain are dependent on every other piece of the signal chain, in other words- the voice, the song, the arrangement, the room, the mic(s), the preamp(s), the convertor, the recorder, any dynamic or ambient FX. A change in *any* of those will possibly require a change in something else. And- people have different opinions about what sounds good.
The only real rules are- 1. No component in the signal chain should be overloaded unless it is designed to sound good when overdriven (as in many guitar amps), and- 2. The resulting recording should have the highest possible signal-to-noise ratio. This is usually, although not always, achieved by having every component in the signal chain running as high as possible without overloading any components. In particular, whether or how you use EQ and compression, and at what point in the production process you apply them is a matter of opinion, and there are as many opinions as there are audio engineers and recording artists.
The analogy of the BMW is quite accurate. He can't tell you where to turn the wheel or how far to push down the accelerator, because he doesn't know where you want to go, or what you have to drive through to get there. That's something that you have to figure out with your *ears*. Words won't help you.-Richie

 

[zealous]

I appreciate yall

sorry im new to this I built A booth 8Lngth X 6wth x7tall
in my room 1 inch 4x8 stira foamsheets covered with four inch crate foam
w/ sorry condenser mic asm mk219 blueberry cord
recording Hip hop & r&b female soprano singers and tenor male
Ican borrow Sure condensor mic $299 one
thats it. I know there is alot to learn i just need somewhere to start
or some one to kick me off I appreciate yall
keep it comming G

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

Start you off where? The 737 is a full-blown channel strip with preamp, compression and EQ in a single box. If what you're asking is "How do I use it?", you're in way over your head.

If, OTOH, you know how and when to use an individual preamp, individual compressor and individual EQ, then just apply those same principles to the 737, one section at a time.

G.

 

[djorbit007]

Does anybody use tha avalon 737sp what the best settings for vocals

What kind of vocals are you recording? singing vocals, rap vocals, etc.... i can tell you some settings that i have used to get a great sound.

-Dj Orbit

 

[metalhead28]

Am I the only one that can't believe somebody would own a 2000 dollar channel strip and not know anything about it? Is this seriously what you're learning on?

 

[gordone]

I was thinking the same thing, but I bit my tongue!

There should be rules about how much money you can spend on a piece of gear before you really know how to use it.

Can you imagine somone asking - "I just bought this here Martin D45 pearly geetar, and I wanted to know where to press the strings for the best sound?"

Am I the only one that can't believe somebody would own a 2000 dollar channel strip and not know anything about it? Is this seriously what you're learning on?

 

[Canobliss]

Am I the only one that can't believe somebody would own a 2000 dollar channel strip and not know anything about it? Is this seriously what you're learning on?

I agree with you in some respects but at the same time why spend a few hundred dollars on a crappy piece of equipment only to learn it then go out and spend another 2000 on a good piece of equipment.
an inexperienced engineer will get a better sound out of a good piece of equipment than a shitty one. Besides its easier to learn on good gear because when you get it right it sounds great. On crappy gear when you get it right it sounds ok-good at best, so it can be hard to tell when you really get it right. Just like in the guitar example above, if you try learning on a $100 piece o shit guitar and the strings buzz is it because the guitar is crap or because you aren't playing it right.

If you know that you are going to be this for a while you might as well by the good stuff right from the start. This saves a shitload of money and frustration in the long run.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

I could spend a couple of billion dollars and buy the Kennedy Space Center from the US Government and never learn a thing about how to send a man into space or even get a single rocket off the ground. On the other hand, a $20 investment at the local hobby shop for an Estes rocket kit will teach me more *and* actually wind up with a successful launch.

G.

 

[scarboro78]

sorry im new to this I built A booth 8Lngth X 6wth x7tall
in my room 1 inch 4x8 stira foamsheets covered with four inch crate foam
w/ sorry condenser mic asm mk219 blueberry cord
recording Hip hop & r&b female soprano singers and tenor male
Ican borrow Sure condensor mic $299 one
thats it. I know there is alot to learn i just need somewhere to start
or some one to kick me off I appreciate yall
keep it comming G

Zealous, Here's a couple of tips since noone wants to help (what a surprise).
I record hip-hop/r&b vocals myself.. first off, one thing you'll learn about the avalon is that the compressor is really slow.. so you have to:

1) Set your attack and release close to its fastest setting (try it and see how it affects the sound). It's fairly transparent to so don't worry about it sounding compressed to death. I find a threshold around -15db works for me depending on how much I want to compress.. but nothing's written in stone.
2) Use the highpass filter on the pre side to get rid of low-end garbage (around 60-80 or so).. depending on how deep the vocalists voice is.
3) Use the EQ sparingly. Although it's a great sounding EQ, once you record it, there's no undoing it. So add a touch in any band you feel needs some.
4) Find a good balance between the input gain on the pre and the output gain to get a good level (thats not clipping) into your program. You'll find the input gain "colors" the sound more than the output gain so use that how you'd like.

And last but not least....

Learn your equipment. Trial and error man.. that's the only way you'll learn what really works for you. Anyways, hope this helps.. happy recording!

 

[zealous]

Thanks A million

Thanks A million and One day for every thanx you will recieve a million.............
Just a saying bro God never forgets
and for the saducceez and pharaseez youll get your reward....
Keep in touch much will come from this

 

[deafsound]

The general answer: Turn every knob until you like the way it sounds.
More specifically: at first be careful not to: overdrive the pre amp too much, use too much compression, use too much EQ. This way you're not stuck with a sound that has been drastically altered between your mic and your recording medium.
After you get used to the way the thing works, you can mess around with it more confidently.

 

[scarboro78]

Thanks A million and One day for every thanx you will recieve a million.............
Just a saying bro God never forgets
and for the saducceez and pharaseez youll get your reward....
Keep in touch much will come from this

I know this is crazy late.. but you're welcome!

 

[MCI2424]

Kidding or not let me make it clearer:

There is no "right setting for vocals" any more than there is a right direction to turn a steering wheel on the car for "asphalt roads".

What kind of vocals and vocalist? Tenor, soprano? Male, female? What genre of music? Hip hop, country, techno or opera? What kind of microphone? SM58, NT2 or U87? How well does the vocalist know how to "work the mic"? What's the recording environment? Vocal booth, sooundstage, bedroom or outdoors? I could keep going...

There are no "right settings". There is only the knowledge of how to use a piece of gear.

G.

It is right there on Page 3, paragraph 8 of the Avalon Manual.

You are spreading rumors.

 

[SouthSIDE Glen]

It is right there on Page 3, paragraph 8 of the Avalon Manual.

You are spreading rumors.

And you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about and should switch to passive mode on this forum if you think that there is anything on a page in the manual that can answer this guy's question.

God, sometimes the Internet really sucks. Any moron can say whatever they want with no regard for reality whatsoever.

G.

 

[MCI2424]

And you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about and should switch to passive mode on this forum if you think that there is anything on a page in the manual that can answer this guy's question.

God, sometimes the Internet really sucks. Any moron can say whatever they want with no regard for reality whatsoever.

G.

If you DID NOT get the joke, you have a really SAD life as living on any internet site and taking it seriously to boot is the life of a nerd.