Auto-Tune Question (unsure if this would be wrong forum to post in)

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OK... first off, I DO NOT WANT THE T-PAIN EFFECT! LOL that is TERRIBLE.. I write heavy metal, and ive been trying to incorporate melodic vocals in a chorus in one of my newest songs.I got the screaming and growling down, but I really want to add some clean, melodic vocals, to give it a staind, deftones, type feel. now im not that good yet, but im not HORRIBLE. Now I did some research, on pitch correction, and of course i came across auto-tune. I want to use it to just help fix the parts that I go flat, or alittle too high. I havent used it yet, but i know how to load it as a plug-in into Fl Studio.. so I got that down..anyway, i know ive been blabbing, i just dont know where to start.. Will the auto tune help correct my pitch, or will it all sound like that crappy t-pain effect?:spank:
 
Used sparingly, and depending on how close you are to being in pitch initially, AutoTune can be a wonderful tool in your toolbox...

Sometimes it's beneficial to run a track through 2 or 3 times on lighter settings, rather than push it through once with heavy effects in place.

Play with it and see what works best, but remember, it will never be a perfect substitute for re-singing the actual vox in pitch...

:)
 
I don't like these plugins where you run it through and it automatically corrects to the nearest notes, which settings for how 'aggressive' the correction is... I prefer having more control.

For this reason I would highly recommend you look at Melodyne, which is a fairly amazingly powerful program. You correct notes by dragging them like you would in a MIDI editor, editing the modulation envelopes, etc, and it doesn't take long before you can swiftly polish up a take but keep it sounding nice and natural.
 
@mattr--- I have no idea how to use anything that involves midi..i will try out melodyne though.. thanks to bentrabbit to, for the reply. its very appreciated
 
ColdToTheTouch said:
@mattr--- I have no idea how to use anything that involves midi..i will try out melodyne though.. thanks to bentrabbit to, for the reply. its very appreciated
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I would go with melodyne too. (It doesn't involve using midi.) Just run your .wav file with your vocals through it and it will 'auto tune' your vocals automatically. Or you can alter each note individually. You can even split notes and alter them. (You can do all this with guitar, bass etc also).
You can also use it to make harmonies from your original vocal track.
 
+1 on Melodyne

I used the a trial of Melodyne and was very impressed with how natural it can sound... Some formants can get away from you, but, such is life in the software manipulation world ;)

I use Sonar and found that its V-Vocal app does what I need if I need to visit there so I let the trial period expire... V-Vocal lacks some of the control Melodyne offers, but it works if i need it.

Somewhere (prolly on You Tube) there's a demo of a guy doing a POS guitar solo and actually making it sound pretty good using Melodyne

:)
 
In 'the old days' they had pitch correction - it was called "Get the heck out of this studio and don't come back in here until you've practiced enough to be able to hit those notes all of the time you £$%*&!$ little *&£"&$)^+%~".
Unfortunately, they couldn't market such a thing. The name wasn't glitzy enough. :D
 
I prefer Melodyne, but if you want to use Autotune, I can explain how to load it in Cubase, and I suppose it's similar in FL too. You have to load Autotune into track with your vocal, and then open it's interface, where you can tweak it until you are satisfied. (You have to choose the type of the voice you want to autotune, and then start tweaking). There is an option to pitch the vocal usind "nearest match", or you can choose specific chord and tell autotune to follow only that chord. If you are working with midi, you can tell autotune to follow harmony or melody of certain midi track.
 
I agree on Melodyne, it's a lot more natural than AutoTune.

But, a lot of people have a huge misconception about AutoTune. You get the T-Pain effect if you just load it onto a track and run it on Auto mode. But, if you use it properly by using the graphic mode (I think that's what it's called), you can manually adjust the pitch and it sounds much more natural. It's used on a lot more tracks than just the ones with the T-Pain effect ;)

Most people think that Melodyne is more natural than AutoTune for this reason (I know I said it earlier, I'll explain in a sec). The reason being, is that there is no "Auto" mode in Melodyne, so people know straight away that they can/have to adjust it manually, and they get a natural result. However, AutoTune gives you the option, and most people just go with Auto mode and assume that's all it can do.

However, I've used both AutoTune and Melodyne, and even on manual editing, Melodyne wins.
 
philbagg said:
I agree on Melodyne, it's a lot more natural than AutoTune.

But, a lot of people have a huge misconception about AutoTune. You get the T-Pain effect if you just load it onto a track and run it on Auto mode. But, if you use it properly by using the graphic mode (I think that's what it's called), you can manually adjust the pitch and it sounds much more natural. It's used on a lot more tracks than just the ones with the T-Pain effect ;)

Most people think that Melodyne is more natural than AutoTune for this reason (I know I said it earlier, I'll explain in a sec). The reason being, is that there is no "Auto" mode in Melodyne, so people know straight away that they can/have to adjust it manually, and they get a natural result. However, AutoTune gives you the option, and most people just go with Auto mode and assume that's all it can do.

However, I've used both AutoTune and Melodyne, and even on manual editing, Melodyne wins.
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Surely double clicking the track puts it into 'Auto' mode?
 
Graph Mode

You can use Autotune in graph mode and manipulate it manually. I don't think I have ever used it in auto mode.

The best way to get that good vocal track is to do it over and over until you can get it right.
 
In order to get the most natural effect with auto-tune, you have to use it manually. It's really kind of neat because you can keep the characteristic of the performance while moving it to the right note.

Now the only thing any of these things will fix is the pitch. Unfortunately, if something is pitchy, there are usually other problems with the performance that auto-tune will not fix. You will only end up with a flawed performance that in in key.
 
I know this quote is out of context, but...
ColdToTheTouch said:
@mattr--- I have no idea how to use anything that involves midi..
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We are talking about vocals. Vocals in metal along side of screaming. And midi enters the conversation?! Lol...fucking music production in 2010. It used to be "that's close enough for rock n' roll". Now it is "that's not pretty enough for hardcore metal".

Seriously, I don't care if you are not "T-Paining" it. Perfect vocals just suck. They fall straight into the uncanny valley. They are boring. They are not and never will be "natural" no matter how much you tell yourself the manual edits are seamless...Even if the manual edits are seamless.

The solution is easy. You do the screams. Get somebody else to sing.
 
Talk about sceaming...just saw this add today posted on my local musicians website: :D

The Scream Machine
I have played plenty of shows in poughkeepsie ny cortland manor - plenty of times.I am a dedicated vocal scream machine.You can waste your time with the noobs who say they can scream or say they know what there doing.I have seen several local show's in and out of the area and the band's I have listened to there screamers can't hold a flame to the name of a true vocalist - Tell you the truth im not cocky or think im the best thing since sliced white bread tho alot of people tell me so i tend to be humble and shake it off.But when you have been singing and screaming for the majority of your life you know if you connect correctly with your abilities and I hold myself strong and know without a shadow of a doubt.I hold my screams low high or mid and pull them in and roll them out with thunder.All these yip yap screamers who cant hold there screams are noobs to each there own but in the end holding notes screaming or singing is key and important and I hold myself to a high level of standards.You will just have to find out if you have a PA system that would help.As to my PA system I need for at home use.So contact me if your interested.Please no noob's know your instruments drum's bass guitar''s because I play for keeps when I throw it down and I don't need to waste my time.
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Never saw a "singer" ad before where screaming was the strong (only) point. ;)
 
The OP hasn't been on HR since May...I think you are all wasting your time here.

:D
 
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