Attn. Dragon-How about a singer's forum?

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Just curious about the viability (and availability of a good moderator), of a
singer's forum. My fellow singers could ask questions like "how do I arrive
on time", "remembering lyrics", and of course, "dealing with groupies"
(just kidding). Seriously, a little advice can go a long way to help improve
anyone's singing and general confidence level live and in the studio.
Whatever happens-this is terrific website!
 
There is a microphones forum and some times vocal questions show up there.
 
I think we should definatley have a singers forum-OK, so I expect it up and running by the end of next week.
 
yea i agree..
we need a singers forum man!!! give us one!!

i like cheese
 
LOL....

M.D.A. - check out my profile...I guess its just a side effect of being close to Wisconsin. ;)

Also, I agree, a vocal/vocalist forum would be a good idea.
 
Is anybody out there taking voice lessons? If so-what's working for you
and what's not?

Also, are there any voice teachers who have some guidance for the
singers here with questions?
 
I've taken vocal lessons......... most cater to classical style, which is good, depends really what your trying to get out of the lessons.

U might think learning the classical style of vocal may not be useful...... but it teaches these INCREDIBLY important things

1. Diaphram support/control
2. Breath control(how to breath properly... sounds weird but U would be supprised)
3. Vocal projection, which can really rifine your tone
4. How to take care of your voice, so U don't F*** it by the time your 30.....
5. And pitch control and many others come along

But don't go to some super expensive tight ass teacher, find a teacher(maybe lookin for work fresh outta university) and tell em what/how U sing, and what you want to get out of the lessons. Make sure U get along with your teacher, have a private teacher who U can have fun with/feel comfortable with, is worth so much, because your more relaxed so your more receptive to critisism and teachin in general.

IMHO.... I think start classical, and then once U know the basics, apply them to your style of singing. I don't mean start singin in an operatic voice in your heavy metal band, just take the ways to strengthen, clarify and refine your technique and then apply them to your style of singing.

Thats just me :D

Sabith
 
The thing about a singers forum:

90% of singers cant sing, and if not for autotune would be out of a career (actually out of a dream). If not for the bandmembers and producers direction they would all sound like a derivative veder/weiland/_____ (insert famous singer) which they do anyway, so what would be the point in collecting them all to one place to share meaningless opinions about singing???


:D :D
 
Singers I'm for 'um are you?

I want a singer's forum too. I think it would be great; after all the voice is an instrument too. And it is the most difficult to set in the mix whether live or recording. Please, please, please, please, pretty please?
 
Re: The thing about a singers forum:

JuSumPilgrim said:
<snipped most of Pil's antivocalist rant>
so what would be the point in collecting them all to one place to share meaningless opinions about singing???
:D :D
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/tongue firmly planted in cheek

The point would be, they'd have their OWN place to share meaningless opinions and wouldn't be littering said meaningless opinions throughout the 'Microphone' and 'Recording Techniques' forums, making space for on topic meaningless opinions....

tongue removed from cheek/

My vote is to make a Vocalist Forum.

Queue
 
You speak wisely Queue. Let them have their singers forum.



:)
 
You speak wisely Queue. Let them have their singers forum.


:)


PS Dragon, how about a Waves forum?
 
c7, hehe

That's kinda why I changed the wording in my post to "Vocalist" forum. Mainly cuz sometimes the crap that comes out (myself included) is hard to call "singing". Plus you could then include things like rappers and metalheads who aren't usually trying to sing to begin with.

Queue
 
Here's a pet theory of mine that's a bit controversial-
for pop and rock singing a voice teacher is not required!
You can become a good "pop" singer just by studying singing
books with exercise cd's, and then taking that ivory tower
knowledge into a workshop type environment with other
singers more advanced than your are so you can practice what
you're learning for feedback- whether it's a choir, or even
better "doubling" your part with a good singer so you can
follow along. Start with keys that are comfortable for you,
and your range will gradually increase. Recording your voice
helps a lot too, everybody has their own signature sound,
and that can take some time getting used to.
If you forgive the analogy, this method has been proven in the
"chess world". One member of my peer group has won the US
championship three times, is one of the best chess opening
theorists in the world, all without taking a single chess lesson!
He studied all the time, and played in lots of tournaments to bring
out the best in his ability. We were roughly comparable in talent,
he just was willing to work harder (I'm just a humble master).
What do you guys think about this theory?
 
chessparov said:
Here's a pet theory of mine that's a bit controversial-
for pop and rock singing a voice teacher is not required!
You can become a good "pop" singer just by studying singing
books with exercise cd's, and then taking that ivory tower
knowledge into a workshop type environment with other
singers more advanced than your are so you can practice what
you're learning for feedback
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This isn't controversial because you can make the exact same argument with other instruments in pop and rock, guitar being the best example. Most guitarists in these genres do not have teachers simply because they tend to teach classical music.. That's why there has always been a market for all the beginner books and cd packages.. Ironically, I think GOOD musicians, regardless of how they learned their instruments have a far better advantage towards learning to sing because 1) it's easier learning to play additional instruments, including the voice, 2) the musician's ear is already equipped with some pitch development and 3) the musician already has the attitude and patience necessary to yield improvement...

On the other hand, I will say that there are other areas that one can search for a good vocal teacher besides classical: youre bound to pick up references of good vocal coaches at university drama departments, especially since most musicals are more pop oriented..

Cy
 
chessparov said:
Here's a pet theory of mine that's a bit controversial-
for pop and rock singing a voice teacher is not required!
You can become a good "pop" singer just by studying singing
books with exercise cd's, and then taking that ivory tower
knowledge into a workshop type environment with other
singers more advanced than your are so you can practice what
you're learning for feedback- ?
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I agree.... to a point. A vocal teacher isn't required, but when U learn from a CD/book, either way U are still being taught by something/someone. It's just that the teacher is a different source, wether it be a book, CD, or a actually person.

I just think that the good part about a actual person teaching U, is that they can show U much easier than a book can describe something, and there isn't the problem of mis-interpretation, sure U might mis-interpret your teacher, but they will correct U if U do. A book can't correct something that U mis-interpret, and often if U get into a habit of doing something, whether it's right or wrong, it's quite hard to break. Better to start right. And usually to get the basics, U only need to go to a handful of lessons, U won't be a master of these basics by the end of the couple lessons but U will know them well enough to practice them, so eventually U can perfect em.

I've tried learning instruments both from books and from teachers, I personally like teachers. But everyone learns different.

Just make sure your having fun,

Sabith
 
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