trogdor
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xstatic said:
Yea i wouldn't put any of my important data on the RAIDed drives, I just want to install windows and my apps to get everything to load quicker...just stuff that i can reinstall anyway if necessary
Yea i wouldn't put any of my important data on the RAIDed drives, I just want to install windows and my apps to get everything to load quicker...just stuff that i can reinstall anyway if necessary
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xstatic
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I personally would not put my Audio applications on a striped raid array. Sometimes reinstalling plug ins and things like that is not a happy thing. If you ever had to do that it might lose presets etc... and your projects may not load properly. Striping your program drive may make things load faster, but in reality I don't think it will actually speed up your workflow. Just your boot times and program start times. Personally, I would rather have each program load 33% slower than ever have to deal with the issues of a striped array crashing (which I have had to deal with). I would personally use your raid setup in a mirror for your audio data drive, not the program drive. Just my 2 cents
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greenbaysucks
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i believe there is a Windows XP 64-bit version that is scheduled for release at some point next year, i wouldn't doubt that Beta version's legitimacy.
i believe there is a Windows XP 64-bit version that is scheduled for release at some point next year, i wouldn't doubt that Beta version's legitimacy.
trogdor
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greenbaysucks said:
But do you think that my software that is compatible with XP would be compatible with the beta WinXP 64bit? If so it might be worth a try...
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manning1
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if you have a nice working system not sure i would want to try that.
if you want a bit of fun for laughs try the linux distro called knoppix.
dont need to install on hd. you can run off cd drive if you wish.
ardour is an interesting multitracker for linux. also one called muse.
they are getting there...but need a few more cycles of development.
then i think linux multitracking could be very interesting on an amd 64.
you should read some of the interesting things the linux crowd are doing on
A64. just google for "linux amd 64". lots of fun.
if you want a bit of fun for laughs try the linux distro called knoppix.
dont need to install on hd. you can run off cd drive if you wish.
ardour is an interesting multitracker for linux. also one called muse.
they are getting there...but need a few more cycles of development.
then i think linux multitracking could be very interesting on an amd 64.
you should read some of the interesting things the linux crowd are doing on
A64. just google for "linux amd 64". lots of fun.
trogdor
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I'll check that out, Manning...In the meantime, I've been having some random reboots and crashes on my new system that I think may be related to RAM compatibility. After one of the random reboots, my favorites in my internet browser had all vanished! Ever had anything like this happen? It seems very unstable....today I put a different memory stick in it and so far it seems okay, but it hasn't been in there for too long. Does this sound like a memory problem?
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manning1
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trogdor. i dont honestly know without being there.
it could be memory. see how she goes on with that new stick.
but then it could be something else. i dont personally use raid.
the only other thing i can think of off the top is these new high power systems prolly are sensitive to a good power supply like any pc is.
and more so.
ive heard of cases where people skimp on the power supply
leading to possible probs down the road. but this prolly isnt true in your case. ive had myself the odd power supply go bad. and friends. but its very rare. but i can tell you one thing. if the power supply is a bad unit
(manufacturers are churning out soooo many) it can lead to lots
of problems obviously. i would give it a day or two and see how she goes.
peace.
it could be memory. see how she goes on with that new stick.
but then it could be something else. i dont personally use raid.
the only other thing i can think of off the top is these new high power systems prolly are sensitive to a good power supply like any pc is.
and more so.
ive heard of cases where people skimp on the power supply
leading to possible probs down the road. but this prolly isnt true in your case. ive had myself the odd power supply go bad. and friends. but its very rare. but i can tell you one thing. if the power supply is a bad unit
(manufacturers are churning out soooo many) it can lead to lots
of problems obviously. i would give it a day or two and see how she goes.
peace.
trogdor
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OKay, thanks for the advice...I have an antec case, with a 350w supply which has been fine for my previous Athlon systems, but who knows. I am still getting reboots with this RAM and am considering RMA'ing the Cpu and motherboard just to be sure...since I really dont know what else to do. everything else is set to stock, and i just reinstalled fresh winXP. I heard you could look at the windows log somehow after a random reboot to see what triggered it...do you know how to do that?
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greenbaysucks
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But do you think that my software that is compatible with XP would be compatible with the beta WinXP 64bit? If so it might be worth a try...
i honestly dont know, i guess you'll have to try for yourself. i would think that M-Soft wouldn't make the same mistake they made with SP2 (rushing and having it screw up a lot of things on some peoples' machines).
But do you think that my software that is compatible with XP would be compatible with the beta WinXP 64bit? If so it might be worth a try...
i honestly dont know, i guess you'll have to try for yourself. i would think that M-Soft wouldn't make the same mistake they made with SP2 (rushing and having it screw up a lot of things on some peoples' machines).
trogdor
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One more thing, I'm getting errors from my CD drive like "drive has a bad block" and something called a DCOM error.
I think my CD drive has gone bad...could it be possible that when i installed winXP some of the files did not transfer correctly and that is causing the crashes and reboots? Maybe i could try an OS repair with a different CD drive? The system works fast and great when it does...and i've run Prime95 and Sandra's Burn-in on it and passes those fine...but there are these inexplicable reboots every so often...usually either surfing the web or instant messaging...i dont want to RMA the cpu and mobo if they are okay, but I'm having trouble getting to the bottom of this...any other testing procedures i could do?
I think my CD drive has gone bad...could it be possible that when i installed winXP some of the files did not transfer correctly and that is causing the crashes and reboots? Maybe i could try an OS repair with a different CD drive? The system works fast and great when it does...and i've run Prime95 and Sandra's Burn-in on it and passes those fine...but there are these inexplicable reboots every so often...usually either surfing the web or instant messaging...i dont want to RMA the cpu and mobo if they are okay, but I'm having trouble getting to the bottom of this...any other testing procedures i could do?
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manning1
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trogdor.....from amd's site ....quote....
The system builder must ensure that the total combined wattage for the system configuration must be less than the output of the power supply used. Overall current usage limitation on the power supply should not exceed a combined system power output for the +5V and +3.3V outputs.
you built this yourself right ?
i would do some googling on amd 64 power supplies, and do some checking.
just to be safe. if your using a cloner type / builder power supply ,
some of them have been known to operate under spec.
amd.com has a ton of info plus knowledge base.
The system builder must ensure that the total combined wattage for the system configuration must be less than the output of the power supply used. Overall current usage limitation on the power supply should not exceed a combined system power output for the +5V and +3.3V outputs.
you built this yourself right ?
i would do some googling on amd 64 power supplies, and do some checking.
just to be safe. if your using a cloner type / builder power supply ,
some of them have been known to operate under spec.
amd.com has a ton of info plus knowledge base.
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xstatic
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Not just overall power, but power on each different rail needs to be correct. I would go look into a good solid performing 400 watt power supply for an AMD64. Take a look at the Thermaltakes. I love mine
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manning1
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you are correct static. have you had any crashes at all ?
trogdor. heres one of many articles on the net.
notice the point down the page about random crashes.
http://www.exhardware.com/reviews.php?Id=13
as i said - i think it was a week or two ago. several times in fact.
if you anticipate loading up over time more peripherals etc.
just be aware that the power supply you start off with might not be suitable.
ive seen many people even go a couple of years with no crashes except the odd screw up then they add a couple of items to their pc, and suddenly the power supply cant keep up.
another point to remember is (and you dont need to go overboard),
you should put some sort of surge protector between the wall outlet and
your pc. actually i have two levels. a little plug that fits in the wall outlet thats fused (at dollar stores for a dollar) followed by the surge protector,
followed by a power bar thats protected into which i plug the pc.
a little overboard i know.
trogdor. heres one of many articles on the net.
notice the point down the page about random crashes.
http://www.exhardware.com/reviews.php?Id=13
as i said - i think it was a week or two ago. several times in fact.
if you anticipate loading up over time more peripherals etc.
just be aware that the power supply you start off with might not be suitable.
ive seen many people even go a couple of years with no crashes except the odd screw up then they add a couple of items to their pc, and suddenly the power supply cant keep up.
another point to remember is (and you dont need to go overboard),
you should put some sort of surge protector between the wall outlet and
your pc. actually i have two levels. a little plug that fits in the wall outlet thats fused (at dollar stores for a dollar) followed by the surge protector,
followed by a power bar thats protected into which i plug the pc.
a little overboard i know.
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xstatic
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One or two minor things in the last 6 months. Each time I was expecting that something might happen because I was either fiddling with or installing things. On average maybe 1 crash to every 200 hours of use? Never has taken more than a quick reboot either
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manning1
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static - whats your boot time ?
any idea what file transfer speeds your getting ?
any idea what file transfer speeds your getting ?
trogdor
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okay, thanks for the words of wisdom fellas...I'll look into a better power supply. I wouldn't doubt that these new amd64 chips need quite a bit of juice! The help is greatly appreciated.
btw, say I monitor my system with the motherboard monitor application...would I be able to detect problems or inadequacies with the power supply by fluctuations in voltages or something like that?
I'm going to try a little test and unplug my CD drive, floppy drive, case fan, and whatever else I can to see if I run any more stable in the meantime.
xstatic, it sounds like we have a pretty similar setup...are you using the MSI K8t800 chipset mobo? I got the K8N neo with the nforce3 after my Abit board with the k8t800 did funky things with my motu. Now turns out neither one works anyway. Oh well, I like the board so far and am going to pick up one of those thermaltake power supplies i think.
btw, say I monitor my system with the motherboard monitor application...would I be able to detect problems or inadequacies with the power supply by fluctuations in voltages or something like that?
I'm going to try a little test and unplug my CD drive, floppy drive, case fan, and whatever else I can to see if I run any more stable in the meantime.
xstatic, it sounds like we have a pretty similar setup...are you using the MSI K8t800 chipset mobo? I got the K8N neo with the nforce3 after my Abit board with the k8t800 did funky things with my motu. Now turns out neither one works anyway. Oh well, I like the board so far and am going to pick up one of those thermaltake power supplies i think.
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xstatic
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I have never timed my boot ups. My guess is that they take 60 to 75 seconds. I actually very rarely have to boot my cpu at all. Usually it stays on for a few weeks at a time. Also, I am still using Windows 2000. I thought about switching, but realized that I was having no problems with win2000, so why switch? I am not sure of transfer speeds either. Hard drive to hard drive I believe that I am transfering over a gig in under a minute. I have no idea if that is fast or slow.
I believe I am using the MSI K8T Neo motherboard. I bought it without on board raid so I could use a PCI controller. As far as my poer supply, I am using a Thermaltake Butterfly. I believe it is the 460 watt one. I know it has pretty colorful rotating lights in the Power supply fan I know that with my power supply and case fan speeds at half speed (much quieter that way) my CPU usually runs at about 40 -44 degrees celsius. That is with standard fan cooling for newer cases/cpu's/graphics cards. All of my fans like I said though are at half speed.
As a side note, I am a big fan of the thermaltake cases as well. They are really laid out nicely, very durable, and look sharp as well. I bought the Thermaltake "Skull" case. Its completely toolless. Even the motherboard snaps in and comes with a tool for removing it safely. I loved the hinged plate for the motherboard, and the hinged side fan door. It also comes with a really cool cooling system controller thats mounted in the top 5 1/2" slot. It has a nice digital readout that monitors both CPU and case temperatures and comes with a probe that goes under your CPU in the socket for monitoring the temperature. It will also sound an alarm if/or when any temperature gets too high. It has 4 knobs for controlling 4 different fans (or sets of fans) including the CPU. I love being able to zone my fans so I could find the best settings for all my fans to keep them quiet and functional at the same time. Check Newegg for the thermaltake stuff. I highly recommend it
I believe I am using the MSI K8T Neo motherboard. I bought it without on board raid so I could use a PCI controller. As far as my poer supply, I am using a Thermaltake Butterfly. I believe it is the 460 watt one. I know it has pretty colorful rotating lights in the Power supply fan
I know that with my power supply and case fan speeds at half speed (much quieter that way) my CPU usually runs at about 40 -44 degrees celsius. That is with standard fan cooling for newer cases/cpu's/graphics cards. All of my fans like I said though are at half speed. As a side note, I am a big fan of the thermaltake cases as well. They are really laid out nicely, very durable, and look sharp as well. I bought the Thermaltake "Skull" case. Its completely toolless. Even the motherboard snaps in and comes with a tool for removing it safely. I loved the hinged plate for the motherboard, and the hinged side fan door. It also comes with a really cool cooling system controller thats mounted in the top 5 1/2" slot. It has a nice digital readout that monitors both CPU and case temperatures and comes with a probe that goes under your CPU in the socket for monitoring the temperature. It will also sound an alarm if/or when any temperature gets too high. It has 4 knobs for controlling 4 different fans (or sets of fans) including the CPU. I love being able to zone my fans so I could find the best settings for all my fans to keep them quiet and functional at the same time. Check Newegg for the thermaltake stuff. I highly recommend it
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manning1
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wow. nice static. that temp monitoring is really handy.
any idea when your system starts puffing ? 80 tracks ?
any idea when your system starts puffing ? 80 tracks ?
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xstatic
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Its hard to say. If you can't group busses and midi tracks and FX tracks, I have been well past 50 with no problems. However, I also am running an average of maybe 45 plug ins during a mixdown. That will greatly reduce your track count. In addition to that I run from anywhere between 2 to 4 Waves IR verbs. All in high quality mode and usually with the 4 channel samples. That alone will eat at least 50% and more likely 75% on my old Athlon xp1800+ with 1 gig of RAM. My new tower, with all the other tracks and plugs, 50-60%. No clicks or pops either.
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manning1
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good stuff static. hope it carries on well for you.
i rarely do more than 24 tracks with few plug ins.
i rarely do more than 24 tracks with few plug ins.