at 4060 and mxl v69 mogami??

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Gem, the 57's and 545's have basically the same capsule as the SM7.
The SM7, however, has a "selected" capsule for consistancy.

So SM57's and 545's can vary in tone quality from each other more than SM7's. I think of both of them like SM7's with presets.

My three fave non-SM7 Unidynes are the Shure 546, Shure 548,
and the Beyer Soundstar MKII (yeah I know it's not a Shure but it sounds like one!). The two Shure models (546, 548) were aimed at professional studio use
rather than stage use. SM56 is the non-reflective version of the 546.
These Shure's had "selected" capsules like the SM7, hence more professional.

The Shure's are notoriously ill matched with Mackie and Behringer mixer pre's,
compared to other better pre choices, due to impedance load issues BTW.

Chris
 
Chris,

I kid with you quite a bit, but I've got to thank you for quite a few mic recommendations. I checked out the Beyer M88 because of you. I can't tell you how many eBay auctions I've lost on account of you. So keep up the mic pushing.

Es.
 
Thanks Rev, the spirit intended was already understood and appreciated.

Am old enough to remember when "regular folks" might afford a Ferrari because they were just enthusiasts, not multi-millionaires.

IMHO these sleeper dynamic microphones are the main supply source now for those whose ambitions are larger than their budgets.
We're fortunate to have a choice of affordable mic pre's that help out too.

In the hands of a talented AE these mics can turn out world class sonics...

Chris

P.S. Here's my current vocal mic "inventory" BTW:

Beyer Soundstar MKII
Shure 548
Shure 546
Shure SM57 vintage "Unidyne III" (made in USA)
EV 635a omni
EV 666 (like RCA 77 ribbon thru quality tube pre)
AKG 790D (little known but nice/like M88-sold thru GC/discontinued)
 
Much thanks to Chessparov as well for the dynamic mic suggestions. I've got Beyer Soundstar MKII because of Chris. :)

My personal experience has been though that dynamic mics need a quality mic pre to come alive.
 
Thanks Steve (ozraves).

Really the "big" influences on me in this regard have been Harvey, along with two other strong pro AE's, Bob Ohlsson and Scott Dorsey.

The ironic thing is that the first "real" microphone I bought was a SM57.
After extensive trial and error with different choices, the '57 seems to
rank right up there with the very expensive condenser microphones tried thus far on me, although YMMV.

Right or wrong, personally am more concerned gear-wise with the quality of the monitoring system vs. the mic pre once you hit a certain quality level as
far as the pre. IMHO you can make a fine recording with something like a Studio Projects VTB-1 or a M-Audio DMP3 (on up) with a good dynamic.

Chris
 
tubesrawsom said:
what would you guys prefer AT or mxl?
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For LDC and tube mics AT... but the MXL603S is a great SDC mic... it's one of those exceptions IMO.
 
I have a V69 and a AT 4060...For the money the 69 is pretty cool..But if you can swing a 4060 its a nobrainer get the 4060
 
chessparov said:
The ironic thing is that the first "real" microphone I bought was a SM57. After extensive trial and error with different choices, the '57 seems to rank right up there with the very expensive condenser microphones tried thus far on me, although YMMV.
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I am more amazed with the sm 57 with every new use of the mic. With a quality pre, this mic rarely sucks and on many sources it competes with the best of 'em. For different reasons, I feel this way about the Beyer M88 (though not quite as versatile as the 57, due to frequency response).

Gemsbok, don't mean to hijack the thread... Seriously man, if you can hold off a bit I'd say go for the 4060 and put your worrying mind at ease. Even if you got the V69 and it sounded great (which it will), you'll still keep wondering what else is out there just above that price point. Save yourself the trouble, deal with what you have now and save up for the 4060.
 
Kinda got to the party late. As between the 69 and 4060, the 4060 hands down, at least for a lot of things.

I've been singing the following song for a couple of months now in various threads here and there, so I'm gonna' do it again:

As far as a $1,000 tube mic goes, check out the CAD VX2. Underrated, underknown, underpriced, under [fill in the blank]...

Very very nice.
 
Methinks Gem may want to consider a "quality pre" for something like a SM57
for rock vocals vs. condenser first. That way you're upgrading your entire (eventual) mic arsenal. Planning to get a Joe Meek 3Q when it comes out BTW.

It sounds like a solid mid-level pro pre ala Grace, and will run about $200
street price. Plus you get opto-compression and Eq thrown into the deal.
(same Burr Brown chip as in the Toft line)
I think those features will displace the Rane MS1B as the reigning champ in the under $200 class for "clean" pre's.

Chris
 
chess, youre talking about a Joe Meek pre coming out for $200?
 
Yeah, it's a major re-vamping of the VC3Q/MQ3.
Based on an upgraded mic pre chip, and better circuitry.

Chris
 
chessrock said:
Hmmm. Let's see . . . other than the Audio Technica sounding really good, smooth, professional, etc. and the Marshall like a cheap, harsh Chinese budget condenser with a toob in it, I'd say they're just about identical....

...Give it a couple years, and you'll grow out of it. Trust me...

...Something's gotta suck...

...what I'm hearing from most of the Marshall LDC's, Rode NT1's, AKG C1000's and BBE Sonic Maximizers is really just a pleasant high end lift for added sparkle and sheen. My feable brain still processes it as cheap-sounding high end....
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A question: Do you have direct experience with the V69 or not? The thread isn't about "Cheap Chinese Condensers" or "Most of the Marshall LDC's, etc.", but specifically about the V69.

I recorded two sessions in a studio which had an enormous and expensive mic locker these past few weeks, and the engineer was using a pair of V69's on the grand piano (chosen over a bunch of more expensive mics, including Neumann, et al). When I asked him why, he said it was because he thought they sounded better for that application than anything else he had. Admittedly, I am a professional musician and only a hobbyist at recording, but the piano sounded great to me on those recordings. This at least is direct experience, even if I have no mic shootout soundclips to offer.
 
Chris F said:
A question: Do you have direct experience with the V69 or not? The thread isn't about "Cheap Chinese Condensers" or "Most of the Marshall LDC's, etc.", but specifically about the V69.
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Thanks, that's what I thought.
 
<< ..he said it was because he thought they sounded better for that application than anything else he had.>

that right there says it all. that doesn't make the V69 a "better mic" than say an m149 or a u87, but on this particular application the V69 was the best choice. possibly on a different piano, or with a different player or in a different room, the "better mic" of choice may be different.


i forget who it was here that said (i'm paraphrasing) "if a cheap chinese condenser works best for you and your voice/application, that's great--i wish we all had that benefit!". that pretty much sums it up for me. i think that the mics we're seeing for $80, $200, $300, $500 are a godsend. i couldn't have gotten into recording (let alone get decent results with bottom-feeder gear) if there weren't cheap chinese condensers. that doesn't mean i don't want neumanns, brauners and soundeluxes, but it means that i can at least record NOW and not have to save for 5 years......

needless to say, a V67 and V69 are likely my next two "new" mic purchases.....tried a v67 a couple weeks ago and i was SHOCKED that it sounded pretty good on my voice in the store......


wade
 
I just listened to some samples of the v69 mogami edition at thelisteningsessions.com. I was really impressed with how it sounded on electric guitar and vocals. Granted it was running through great preamps in all of the tests, but I really liked the way it sounded, especially on distorted electric guitar.
 
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