As Good As A Neumann But Cheaper

pipelineaudio said:
Besides boutique mics, can you name any modern mics that aren't (in some way at least) chinese?
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Almost any Oktava that's Russian made. One thing the Russians don't generally do is buy Chinese parts. Your point is well taken, though. At this point, virtually all the electronics in a Harley-Davidson are made in Japan or China. I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese parts can be found in an SM7b. Most of the parts of an Audio-Technica are made in Japan, but they probably use some Chinese parts as well.-Richie
 
Shure, Nuemann and AKG have been partly to completely chinese for a very good long time now. AFAIK Beyer, and sennheiser are in the same boat but its 7 in the morning for a guy who usually gets up at two in the afternoon

Almost all of the more recent "european" specialty mic companies are made in china as well.

It all comes down to who in the free world finishes and QC's the mics, which can make a HUGE difference
 
pipelineaudio said:
Shure, Nuemann and AKG have been partly to completely chinese for a very good long time now. AFAIK Beyer, and sennheiser are in the same boat but its 7 in the morning for a guy who usually gets up at two in the afternoon
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Only the cheap lines like the perception and AT20 series...but if you settle for those you might as well buy chinese anyway...surface mount componants arent something that AT would have to leave Japan to get so Id doubt that China has to supply them unless they are that much cheaper.
 
Which is why I haven't bought an Oktava for several years now. But- I didn't try to argue with Pipeline, because he's right. Everything electronic, almost without exception, contains Chinese parts these days. And we will live to regret it when war comes and they cut us off. But that's a whole different topic. I still haven't heard a single mic made in China that doesn't suck, except maybe a Studio Projects T-3. That includes the perception series, and everybody else's cheap condenser. Are they better than you would expect for the price? Yes. Are they *really* good mics? No.-Richie
 
German mics made in China, Chinese food made in Iowa.

It's a Global Village, the days of countries being separate entities is coming to a close. There's a saying: "You can embrace or resist change but you can't stop it"

I'm going to start a thread "As Good as Behringer but More Expensive".
 
pipelineaudio said:
Any evidence that the 414's are not made in china?

57's?

KSM44's?

M149's?
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Well, the "made in Austria" (Mexico, USA, Germany) would be a clue. You are of course, correct, that every one of them may contain Chinese components.

And Dinty, I wish it were true, but the nation state, nationalism, and the insane wars they produce are very much still in existence. I'm not resisting change, just doubting that it is here. War will come. I have no doubt in my mind. The only question is whether it will take 20 years or 20 minutes, and what will be left when it's over.-Richie
 
Richard Monroe said:
Well, the "made in Austria" (Mexico, USA, Germany) would be a clue. You are of course, correct, that every one of them may contain Chinese components.
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Since ADK also use the "made in austria" claim, Im not sure just how valuable that claim is.

What shure's are made in the USA?

AFAIK 797 makes shures and they do a killer job on it. So good that the counterfeit 57's that keep landing people in jail, are counterfeit only by virtue of not having an actual Shure serial, not by anything that can be determined thru examination or testing
 
lt. Bob said:
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Geez......i just sat here and read this entire thread.

I've got to get a life.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

me too man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel like a loser/nerd now.

Maybe i will go do some pushups............or buy a hemi truck....................or maybe go do something.........badass.


Beer!!!!!
 
bunyip said:
went to Neumann and studied in Germany, came back to China and made them....and if you search the model on Google people are looking for them as they were the closest thing they tried

He now is making the Ribbon Mics with Rupert Neve

So suck my balls you doubters ;)
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There's just so much wrong in this statement it just isn't funny.

If he studied so much in Germany under Neumann, why does he make a K67 capsule that has the incorrect dimensions? Why are there features missing that are there in the Neumann capsules? Why isn't the finish work the same on the lapping? Why are the tolerances so loose? Why is the tension wrong? I'm not even going to go into guessing if he used the same tooling machinery or even the right kind of drill bits and sizes for the blind hole and through holes, or even the materials and technique for the spacers.

And most importantly, why are so many Chinese mics using K67 capsules in a non-negative feedback circuit?

Never mind anything else!
 
pipelineaudio said:
It all comes down to who in the free world finishes and QC's the mics, which can make a HUGE difference
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True. I've been getting K47 style capsules from China and with the exception of a few obvious turds I've had them compare favorably to a Thiersch M7 mylar. Notice I say "favorably". Not exact obviously, because they are two different beasts, but of sound quality I really have heard nothing that would make them unpleasant sounding in the least. I can't make the statment "like Neumann" because I'm of the opinion the Thiersch isn't "exactly" Neumann. Its close though.
 
pipelineaudio said:
Any evidence that the 414's are not made in china?

57's?

KSM44's?
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http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/business/adv/bus03.shtm

Given that Shure makes an unqualified claim on their KSM mics (at least all of the KSMs I have owned) as made in the USA, if you have some evidence that Shure is not making them in the US you should report them to the FTC for enforcement action.

Under the FTC's rules on negligible foreign content, it would be OK for the capacitors, resistors, etc. to be foreign source, but not the metalwork or the capsule. The PCB is questionable, but I would think PCB assembly would have to be US source.
 
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