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Hello, guys:

I am working on a short animation project(for school, nothing pro) right now, so I threw in some tune as soundtrack. It's consisted of 2 short songs, I pasted them together since you will be listening w/out see the animation. So, the transition is a little odd between the two.

I am looking for mixing suggestions mainly, however, any musical suggestions will be great as well.

Thanks

AL

"Apathy"
http://nowhereradio.com/a1a2/singles
 
oh, and does that bass on the second song sound fake? I tried so hard to make it sound decent out of my strat....

Thanks

AL
 
Good tunes.

1st Tune -- This had a cool feel to it. I kept hearing vocals in my head...and I kept trying to imagine what was happening with the animation, or what this music was complementing on the screen. The only feedback I have is the drums kind of seemed too drum machine like to me, but that is just my opinion. I just think this tune would've worked better with a better sounding drum sound.

On the second tune, I thought the drums come in a little bit loud (there's those drums again). Maybe lowering them a bit in the mix might make them seem a little more natural. I liked the rest of the arrangement, and didn't really think the bass sounded too fake on the second song.

Overall decent sounding tunes. Good job!
 
A1A2 said:
oh, and does that bass on the second song sound fake? I tried so hard to make it sound decent out of my strat....
Thanks
AL
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That's pretty interesting. What pitch shifter did you use? It doesnt sound perfect, but not as bad as I was expecting.

The tunes are cool and they sound pretty good mixwise except maybe the drums are a bit loud on the second tune.. and they sound different..The first tune sounds better for some reason..

later
sam
 
boydrj:

Thanks for listening. The first song was originally going to be a complete song with vocal and everything, but in the middle of making it, I ran into this assignment, so I decided to use the first 2 mins of it for soundtrack minus the vocal. About the animation, to make the story short, it's a satire of a guy jumping off a tall building, and test the crowd's reaction, which is coming to watch, and then go away (Apathy). And that's when the 2nd song kicks in.

B.SABBATH:

I used the pitch shifter in SoundForge, and tuck it under the dry "bass" track.
Yeah, the first one took me a week to come up with, and the second one was written/tracked/mixed in 2 hrs. So, I am glad there is a quality difference :) I will work on them both more.

About the loud drum on 2nd one, I guess I tried too hard to make it dancable(?)dance-able? I will go back and check it out.

Thanks for the listen

AL
 
when you have a visual, you can get away with a lot audio wise....it sometimes seems. ...not that you seem to be doing that, but sometimes the music can be much less involved.

my problems were the tuning on the first song with the guitar and the timing problems that seem apparent in the 2nd song.
 
mixmkr:

Thanks for pointing out the mistakes, I will correct them. About visual vs sound. I agree with you in most cases, but, I think in a movie/animation, the music can totally change the meaning of what you are seeing. For example, in "Good Fellows", when that commercial guy and his wife's dead bodies were found in a pink car, the piano made the theme seemed as a a sublime piece of art(of course the angle of the camera helps, too) rather than a scary, shocking theme. Err...I hope I am making sense here

anyways, thanks

AL

ps. Can anyone help me to sit the guitar solo better in the first mix? I had a real hard time trying to fit it into the mix.
 
Hey AL, I though the first one was really cool. I agree about the drums, but I'm not really a fan of that sort of sound. You might want to check out some loop CDs. I heard one recently, I think it's called Drum Sessions, really good pro sound. But I really liked the guitar and arrangement on the first one, reminded me of some solo Paul McCartney, don't know what really, but sounds like something he's done or would do. The second one, I agree about the timing problems and the drums on that one. Cool otherwise, and the guitar>bass sounds pretty good to me.

Macle
 
Hey,
First off, you wrote a nice, defined piece. Mood is evident.
The thing that struck me was the git solo on the first and then I read that you mentioned it. I think it should pierce much more. Perhaps the effect of the git is making it "mushy". I'd lay off the verb a tad and push the highs some. Is that the tone as tracked or can you toy with it some more? That melodic line define's the tune in the intro and I think should be clean and clear when the solo comes in. You can still maintain the tone of the git but, give the tone more of an edge.
Did that help? I believe I can hear what the stalemate is as far as getting the sucker to sit. Try backing of on the verb and some eq push to maybe make it cut through more.

Just some thoughts,

Sounds like a fun project.
Theron.
 
Macle:

Thanks for stopping by, and the recommendation on the CD. I try to use any many original beats as possible, but I am sure I can get some nice samples out of that CD.

theron:

yeah, I struggled with the tone on the solo. I really liked the not so bright tone, but it just won't sticks out in this mix. I will definitely cut down some reverb on it, and see if it sit better. Thank you

AL

ps. Is the beat itself off on the second one? I tried something I never did before on the beat, and that's how I screwed myself in timing.
 
overall this is pretty cool stuff. i'd like to see this with the animation.

tune #1:
i like it. the rythm track is cool. i didn't like the organ sound though. maybe replace it with something else. i don't have any ideas for the replacement. maybe nothing cause the guitar sounds pretty good. tuning sounded odd sometimes though, is that on purpose?

tune #2:
groovy baby. liked the vibes and wah guitar. needs to be a little tighter though. some timings sounded off and just generally came accross a little sloppy. it's worth buttoning down. oh, and i wanted the organ to be just a bit more 'gritty'. oh, i really like that bass work. is it a real sound or keyboard?

thanks for the post
 
Eric:

Thanks for listening. Agress with you about the organ. I tried to come up with a lesli sound by messing with the keyboard. The tunning must be the new strings I put on. I will revising them right now. But the power chord section were done on purpose.
Second one was done in a short period of time, definitely have to re-track them. The bass is my electric guitar. Read above if you care to know how I did it.

Anyways, thanks for the listen.

AL
 
Interesting way to play bass. It sounded cool to me anyway.

That B-3 sound is a hard thing to recreate. The best I've heard is the NI B4 and a couple of the settings on my "JV groovy sounds of the 60's and 70's" card.
 
Decent background music. I didn't care for the tone the guitar that came in at 1:03. I though it was a little too "hard" for the rest of the piece.

I loved the change up at 1:48. Had that 70's B movie background music feel. I thought it was cool.
 
Cool Stuff. Keep experimenting. Good "transition music," especially for film I think. I think it would be most fitting as the crowd is leaving. I has a very "reflecting" feel to it. Like the show is over, and or you're left with just the feeling.

Now, get rid of those fade-in drums. Use a soundfont if you must. Hell bang on some pots and pans. But they are spoiling your mood. And mine. Just kidding. But I really do think they detract from some otherwise good ideas. I don't mind the drums you have in the body of the song, but the could you some EQ boosting I think. As for the guitar....the secret is definitely in the EQ. But I would consider panning a bit more to the left for experimention purposes. Just to see if you can give it a little of its own space maybe.

Acoustics sound very good to me. Nice job.

As for the second song....what can I say. I'm shakin my ass.
 
TripleM:

Thanks for listening! Yeah, the guitar did come in a bit strong at 1:00, I need to add some samples of the man screaming or something when I have the animation done, and hopefully it will make that transition better. What's the "B" movie?

SLuiCe:
Glad you are shaking! lol. What do you mean by fade-in drums? the electronic-ish drum that fades in at intro or?? Anyways, I will keep working on the guitar, drum and organ parts. Thanks for the listen!

AL
 
Ya the intro (and I think it rings through the rest too if I remember right). I like the concept, but my ear wants to hear something less electronic. You have some great sounding "organic" instruments like the ac. gits and that rythm track doesn't sit well with it. But it's just an opion. I really dig the idea.

What school are you going to. Scoring for film has been a little dream of mine I may just one day pursue when I grow the cahoonas.
 
SLuiCe:
I have been messing with electronic music a bit lately and try throw them into rock music. Still experimenting different things. But, thanks for your opinion.
I go to Indiana University (IU), not well known for film production. This project is just an intro level computer graphics class, I just volenteered to do soundtrack. Anyways, I think you can take some classes thru Telecommunication and or school of music, and see if they have film scoring or maybe just TV show music.

Good luck

AL
 
Just curious mostly about the school. But still....dreams....

And RE: the drum sound... ain't nothin wrong with experimentation, eh? It's everything.
 
I'd agree with mix on the tuning/harmonizing on the first piece and the timing in the second. A beat with a bit of swing to it would probably work pretty well.

Sounds like they wil be cool tunes for the animation. The mix is sounding pretty close. Nothing too obnoxious.
 
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