anyone a fan of bob rocks work??

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I was just curious, Ive been hearing about Bob Rock that he's
an awsome producer and recording engineer, and for
me being a big fan of metallica all of their albums sound
wicked. But I was just curious on what some of you thought
of his recording skills based on metallicas albums and the
new our lady peace album.??
 
i have a friend who worked on reload, and the stories he tells about those sessions!

basically, none of the music that you hear on that record was performed in any sort of linear traditional way.

all the musicians tracked in seperate rooms to click tracks, did take after take, till they filled up like 96 tracks EACH. then they had the engineers go though and pick out the best takes on a measure to measure, even note to note basis. i think they estimated the number of edits on that album in the millions! they and bob rock wanted to make a "perfect album".

the result: all of the "rock" got sucked out. instead of perfect album they had a huge disaster. lost most of their original core fans. got a lot of mtv play. spend millions and millions of dollars.
 
I hate that guy, just watch Metallica's "A Year and a Half in the Life" and you will too.
 
Bob Rock is excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think Bob Rock is a great producer. Anything, well almost anything that he produces is very, very good. For example, take a piece of worthless shit band like Motley Crue. Listen to all of thier albums, they sound kinda mediocre. Then listen to the Dr. Feelgood album that Bob Rock produced...best sound they ever had. metallica heard this and wanted him to make a good sounding record for them. he did. the Black album. The Black album is by far the best production that Metallica has ever had, if you think any different you don't have ears. Every detail captured, and every insrument audible in the mix, and as big sounding as you can get. Every other album they produced was lacking in something until that album...and even reload and load are great sounding albums, whether you like the songs or not is an entirely different thing. Back in the day Bob rock produced other bands that i can't stand like Bon Jovi's shit and that came out great sounding too. he produced that one chick group too, Volcano Girls, Seether...i can't remember their name, but even lame shit like that he gave that real massive meaty sound. I don't think that anyone on this board can scoff at Bob Rocks work because he is very good at wwhat he does. And that stuff from the Year And A Half In The Life Of Metallica shit was how many months in a studio, and Metallica even said he was like another member of the band. Anybody that is willing to cock off, or tell Metallica whats up, knows his shit. he also knew how to get great performances out of them. Bob Rock is the best thing that ever happened to metallica. Like him or not he has massive amounts of talent. And as far as tracking goes, they recorded the drums live while the other band members were isolated kept the drum tracks for the mastering, and overdubbed all the other stuff. And it really isn't all that unorthadox, it makes sense if you want an album to sound perfect, take all of the neccessary steps to make it that way. Bob Rock is great...how can anyone dispute that!!!!
 
i guess that is just it.

if you rate production entirely in terms of how loud and clear it is, he is great. if you rate production in terms of coaxing great performances and highlighting the best aspects of songs he comes off as a vendor of poop.

what i think is so stupid about his later productions with metallica is that they are a performance band, they have a nice tight style with a pleasant amount of fudging around. their early albums are sort of annoying in that they seem a bit restrained, but you can hear a real rock band in there. they sound amazing when they are turned up all the way on a delco stereo in an 85 chevy.

when you deconstruct and edit and ram them on metronomic time to make them perfect, you ruin what they are and make them imperfect. that is bad production to me.
 
Re: Bob Rock is excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Analytical Man said:
The Black album is by far the best production that Metallica has ever had, if you think any different you don't have ears. Every detail captured, and every insrument audible in the mix, and as big sounding as you can get. Every other album they produced was lacking in something until that album...and even reload and load are great sounding albums, whether you like the songs or not is an entirely different thing.
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Then I must have no ears, because in all the millions of times I had to endure that album, be it on my own cd player or on the radio, I have never heard the bass on Black. It's like there is a huge hole missing in the mix. Oh sure, you can hear the lower mids on the guitars, but if I A/B Black with the first three albums or Load, it's like night and day: All the sonics are there and the weight of the bass is true on Kill, Ride, Master, and (for the most part) Load.

But I'm not going to blame Bob Rock for this. If it didn't live up to the James or Lars standards, then they would've done something about it.

Cy
 
Bob Rock takes shit and turns it into super shit. A virtual shit machine, if you will.

He's good at making money.

Slackmaster 2000
 
I like some of the stuff that Bob does but i HATE the MetallicA Kick drum. Sounds like shit. Always so clicky and low bass.
 
Slackmaster2K said:
Bob Rock takes shit and turns it into super shit. A virtual shit machine, if you will.
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you are thinking of a PERPETUAL shit machine. he can take 1 unit of shit and turn it into like 1.2 units of shit without losing any shit in the process! his records are like a big "fuck you" to the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

there- i used "fuck you" and "thermodynamics" in the same sentence.
 
ZEKE SAYER said:
I like some of the stuff that Bob does but i HATE the MetallicA Kick drum. Sounds like shit. Always so clicky and low bass.
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yeah you're right, a jazzy muffled kick drum would better suite metallica.
 
imho bob rock´s real masterpiece is motley crues "motley crue" (the one with john corabi) - i like this sound! i don´t dig the sound on metallicas "black album" that much - in some way i find it overproduced, it sounds very hifi - and i also definitely don´t like the kick drum there!

fretless
 
clicky kick drum

to zeke:

do you have/know dream theaters "images and words" - that´s one kick drum for (or from) the trash can!! obviously triggered and without any dynamics (sounds like 1 single sample) - just plain awful! can´t listen to it - basta!

fretless
 
I love Bob Rock. I met the guy in nashville at a studio and he was extremely nice. Maybe I'm alone on this but I thought "fuel" and "unforgiven ii" (regardless of how bad the rest of the album was) were produced really well, as well as the whole S&M stuff.
 
fretless said:
imho bob rock´s real masterpiece is motley crues "motley crue" (the one with john corabi) - i like this sound!
fretless
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Finally! Someone else who digs this album.

Of the entire Crue catalog this is by far their best IMO, mainly because it's such a down to earth album and no whiny Vince to muck it all up.

Cy
 
Re: clicky kick drum

fretless said:
to zeke:

do you have/know dream theaters "images and words" - that´s one kick drum for (or from) the trash can!! obviously triggered and without any dynamics (sounds like 1 single sample) - just plain awful! can´t listen to it - basta!

fretless
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Never heard of it. what is it? :)

zeke
 
i bought the black album DVD with all the interviews... afterwards, i fuckin started despising him... i mean i dont listen to new metallica often, so i never got involved in this bob rock character. but fuck, some of the shit he says sounds like straight up "oh yeah we made this record to sound the best out there" and shit like that... and by that first post, THANK YOU i never knew they did that... they let the engineers pick out the takes? fuck... if i ever let someone do that to my music, someone shoot me.
 
you don´t know dream theater?

here´s the album i wrote about - musically a very fine one imo but sadly kick and also snare suck big time! however i heard some rumor that mike portnoy (the drummer) would like to rerecord this album at least drum-wise. seems that he´s unhappy too with his sound on this one. ;-)

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=CASS80305181452&sql=Afxdgyl4jxpcb

if you´re even just a little into progressive rock you should listen to dream theater!

greeetz!

chriz
 
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