any church players here??

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JoelEric26 said:
Those arrangements are great Scott!

I am always looking for hot instrumental stuff for openers and closers (I believe once we would have said preludes and postludes). I LOVE the gospel piano and organ licks in Amazing Grace. Even though I usually lead from the guitar these days, my first love and favorite instrument is piano and keys. Did you play those parts as well?

The groove of Power of Your Love is a nice change of pace as well.

Do you have charts available on any of these ?

Hey man!!

Thank you....!!

On Amazing Grace, it's me on guitar and my pianist and 2nd keys guys playing those parts...along with the rest of the band (drums, perc, bass)...

I do have charts, done by myself, in Finale...I don't sell them, as my church hasn't set that up, and it's not ethical for me to sell something I've done for them...but I can always just donate them to you...

Why don't you e-mail me your address at: sjonesmusic@aol.com , and I will send you an audio CD of many of the instrumentals I've done...then, you can choose which ones you would like, and I can send you the charts....

If you visit my website, go to the DEMOS page, and look under INSTRUMENTAL ARRANGEMENTS, to hear more now...

Bless you bro!!

Scott
 
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i am currently working on an instrumental rock version of amazin grace. i was inspired when i heard how BoysIImen had arranged it. they'd changed quite a few chords and harmonies around. you guys may wanna check that version out.
 
SaddleBack has such a version for their 40 Days of Purpose campaign. Have you heard it?

Ed
 
There version, which really does move, is kind of a blend of a Madonna/Van Halen style for Amazing Grace.

Ed
 
It's sung by a female, who has a Madonna style voice. The guitar work is high energy and somewhat similar to what Van Halen has produced in the past. IT is actually very effective in a contemporary service.

Ed
 
I need to back up one step. The song they did was "How great thou Art" not amazing grace. All else as before.

Ed
 
I was involved in "christian" music for awhile.
I was in a P&W band for a small church in Phoenix, then I went to do sound at a big church in L.A.
Both of those gigs were an absolute nightmare.
We would play in Phoenix for homeless people every Saturday night. That is, until TBN was showing up with cameras to tape what we did down there. Then we were kindly told to stay home that Saturday, so the nicey nicey people could get on TV. They would never help us with gas or busted gear either. It cost alot playing 3 services, and 2 outreaches a week. Lots of maintenance.
Then in Lost Angeles, I worked at a place that has shows every Friday night on TBN called the "Dream Center".
At the time the services were in a gym, and the mains were behind the line of mics, and the music director always wanted the volume so stinking loud that feedback was a constant problem. I never drove a mixer so hard in my life. Myself and the other sound guy were always getting chewed on about feedback.
The problem I had with the whole thing was that everything was about money and business. The pastor would go on TV and tell these stories about how they were going to be closed down due to not having money to pay for renovations or some crap. It was total nonsense.
After a year at that place, I was done.
I told myself I'd never play or do sound for another church again. And thats pretty much where it stands.

Peace.
 
MadMinute,

Sorry to hear that the Christian churches you were involved with weren't so Christian after all :(

But I understand your feelings that there is a lot of BS out there that is in the name of Christ. All I can say is that there really are true Christian churches/groups to be found... Sometimes you have to keep looking.

My personal thought is that if the focus is on the facility/numbers/etc., then it may not be what Jesus had in mind. Christ worked with small groups, individuals, and people you wouldn't have expected him to be associated with - So keep an open mind and be thankful for the small miracles and gifts we receive every day.
 
Fusion...
No worries man.
I've come to alot of realizations since '98 when I left that church behind. I realize that I don't believe things the way most christians do. I don't look at Jesus' teachings quite so literally. I don't look at the book in general so literally. I don't look to man for affirmation. I know there is truth everywhere, and not just in that particular book.
I certainly don't see christians and jews as the only people worthy of "god's" love. Christianity as presented by amerika has little to do with the teachings of any true spiritual leader, least of all Jesus. By that I mean, Paul and Jan Crouch have little understanding of the reality that was Jesus, and the reality that was his message.
I know well that many people who claim christianity have their hearts in the right place. I have no problem with these people.
I just feel that people should be respected for who they are, and not which clique they belong to, whether that clique is a religion, an ethnicity, a gender, a sexual orientation,a denomination, a church, or whatever.
I agree with you that money and attendance have nothing to do with it either. Jesus said something about whenever two people are gathered in his name, there he is also. So, in some vague way, here he is with us.
I hope I did'nt offend anyone. It was'nt my intention.
Peace.
 
mad,
i know what you are saying, but some of the things you said do not line up with the word of God. firstly, God loves everyone. those who decide to love him back and steer from sin get to expirience that for all of eternity. For the people who don't, Jesus will probably cry as he says "I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized." to them. (*1)

secondly, everyone should -definately- be respected for who they are, but if a person is sinning then that person needs to be informed of it if they don't know. If a person's sexual orientation is contrary to what God intended, then that is sin.
-"And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved."- (*2)

from your post, i was not able to tell if you knew that, or were simply implying that someone should not be judged by other people because of it. There is nothing wrong with showing Christ-like love towards a homosexual, but God says that homosexuality is sin and contrary to His intention. check out the two links below to read the whole chapter for these 2 references.
I hope i didn't offend you, but as i read your post, I felt this info needed to be presented. later man.
-dan

*1 - Matthew 7:23
(http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineS...age=mt+7:23&version=nlt&context=1&showtools=1)

*2 - Romans 1:27
(http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=ro+1&version=nlt&showtools=0)
 
Danobi...
Jesus also said "judge not, lest you be judged". He went on to ask "how can you remove the splinter from your brothers eye when you have the whole board in your own?"
Did he not also state that no one sin is greater than another? As in, homosexuality is no worse than arrogance, or pride, or hypocrisy or whatever.

And if we're talking about literal interpretations, I think Paul said women should not speak in church, and should sit seperately from the men. Bear in mind that I realize that this had to do with the culture of the place and time. But if that negates what he said, then there are plenty of arguements against some of what you had to say in this place and time in our own culture. Times and people change, and the way the Bible is interpreted must be allowed to change in context with the circumstances that we live in, otherwise it's not a living document. It becomes stale and dead.

My point is, nobody is better than anyone else. You are no better or more holy than me, and I no more than you. We are all the same. We are all imperfect ("for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God"). And for me, I will not go tell someone else that they are in the wrong when I have so much about myself I need to work on. To me, thats just hypocrisy.

I know what you say in your post. I am well aware of mainstream christian beliefs. All I said was that I do not subscribe to that belief system, due to the fact that the law died when Jesus did, and was not resurrected when Jesus was.

So, not to be argumentative, what I say lines up with what was written, but not necessarily with the way it's being taught nowadays.

Please also understand that I think that you are free to believe what you want to believe. If that works for you, then by all means use it. Apply what you you have found to your life and find happiness in that. What works for you, however, may not work for me. I will do the same, and will not condemn you for what you think is right. You have every right to do as you see fit, as long as you don't hurt anyone else along the way.

I apologize for hijacking this thread. I have this habit of doing that lately. Maybe I should learn to keep my opinions to myself in the future.

Peace.
 
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No worries, Danobi.
I was just making my case on a subject that I enjoy talking about.
You can PM me and we can discuss this further if you like, so as not to sideswipe this thread.

Peace.
 
Fundamental tenets of Fundamentalist Christianity:

1. All are guilty of breaking God's law. He got to decide the law because He made everything.
2. All deserve death.
3. Jesus' death is available substitute for everyone else's. He was not guilty, and therefore should not have died.
4. A person needs to get Jesus' death credited to his account, as it were.
5. After #4, a person should do his best to live a life reflecting love toward God. This would include being very nice to each other.

In the First Church of All Time, which presumably knew what it was doing, people who understood their guilt before God were admonished to repent (change), be baptized in water in Jesus Name, and receive the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

Now, for me to point out to you that you are a sinner is not what the speck v. beam discussion was about. If I say, "You are a sinner, and you need salvation," I am pointing out items 1-3. For me to do that, I have already admitted to 1 & 2 myself. Even Paul, who pointed out lots of sin in lots of people called himself the worst of the bunch. I disagree, because I think I am the worst.

It is like saying, "The ship is sinking, and we're all gonna die unless we do something!" If someone really believes 1~4, it would be very selfish of them not to do something to lead others to the lifeboats.
 
apl,
dood, well put! i will have to word my posts more carefully, as i didn't convey that i was trying to be humble. and after reading your post i'm humbled again!
 
So let me get this straight, apl and Danobi....
There is a formula for reaching God?
I was never aware of such a formula.
It sounds like going to the phone company to pay your bill, so you can keep your service connected, as it were.

Pointing out the speck and pointing a finger while saying "you are a sinner" are indeed one and the same. You have passed judgement when it was not your place to do so. The proverbial pot calling the kettle black. Especially as I could say "you are a sinner" to any christian, and be correct.

So what good could possibly come from making someone else feel inferior to you and your group by labeling someone a "sinner"? I think none. Browbeat people for not believing like you do and you will alienate them. This does'nt show anything resembling #5 on your list. Verbally smacking someone about the head and shoulders is'nt showing love for man, or the God that dwells in man. It shows intolerance and elitism, as though you are somehow better than them. Not smart. And certainly not what Jesus would do.

As I said before, what you do is up to you. It's not up to you, or your divine duty, or your great commission, to work out my salvation. Thats between me and God.

Anyway, none of this has anything to do with playing in church.
Later.
 
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

Sorry to be so blunt, but there is no other way.
 
Sorry to be so blunt, whattaguy, but nowhere in your quote does it mention your name. You are not the author of my salvation. Nor is anyone else.

My world does not revolve around the twisted misinterpretation of scripture by well meaning but misguided people. I don't need you to validate my walk with God. I don't answer to you or the people you go to church with.

Just because you choose one path to follow does'nt mean everyone else is obligated to follow that same path. Do you belive God to be a dictator? I don't, personally. I believe he loves us all, where ever we are in life. He even loves those who use his name for financial gain as much as anyone else.

The sad part is that his "followers" can't love people outside their own little group. If you think for yourself, as opposed to doing what the pastor, or youth leader or whoever wants, and thinking what they want, you are a "SINNER", and are not to be associated with.

I seem to recall Jesus making a point of hanging out with the undesireables, and preaching to those who supposedly knew scripture. Kinda deja vu-ish, don't you think?

Peace.
 
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