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EDAN said:
Only if it's made in Wisconsin by a legitimate, law biding company that douesn't use cheap milk from cows working for pennies a day!!!
Only if it's made in Wisconsin by a legitimate, law biding company that douesn't use cheap milk from cows working for pennies a day!!!
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mshilarious said:Which is why I play Fenders and Gibsonsthrough my USA-built amp
Exactly!
'74 SG, 77 Martin D35Lefty, 85 D-45Custom lefty, '99 Fender P-Bass lefty
, '47 Martin A-style mandolin converted...... you guessed it!70-71 Fender Twin, 2001 Rivera, Carver, Klipsch, Mackie, Moog Voyager, MuTron, Morley, Geoffrey Teese, Peterson, KLON Centaur(very soon!!!).
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EDAN said:I've mentioned this before. David Bowies producer uses Behringer compressors, he has for years. I'm pretty sure he's used/uses plenty of "better" compressors and I'm comfortable in believing he picks Behringer over mega buck high end fancy name compressors for reasons other than the price
What you should be asking yourself is whether or not David Bowie's producer is the only one to be aware of just how awesome and comparable the Behringer equipment is. Maybe he uses Behringer stuff because it is shitty in a way that he likes to use? Any chance he has an endorsement? Exactly how and what tracks was the behringer stuff used on? Why was it used? Do you really think that all the other engineers and producers out there are just blind to behringer? Don't you think that we would all be happy if the behringer stuff (or ANY other cheapo stuff) sounded great? Do you really think we would spend thousands of dollars on expensive compressors if the cheap Behringer stuff sounded even remotely close to as good?
These are really the questions you should be asking yourself. I really do not have a problem with people out there buying cheap stuff because its what they can afford right now. We all have our own limitations and boundaries that we need to work within. What I do have a problem with is when someone tries to justify their own purchase by pretending that the cheap crap is just as good. Its just like guitar amps. Why the hell would a salesman try and sell me a Crate amp when I went in to buy a Bogner? It's just silly. Sell the Crate to people because it is cheap, and will get you through for a while with a minimal investment. Don't try and sell them the Crate by telling them how awesome it is and how it is comparable to amps costing much much more.
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Soundmind?? said:Only if it's made in Wisconsin by a legitimate, law biding company that douesn't use cheap milk from cows working for pennies a day!!!
And for just dollars a day---less than the price of a single grandissimo cup of coffee at Starbucks---you, too can feed one young, starving ethiopian bovine. That's all it takes. Call now. Our operators are standing by, ready to spew milk out their noses.
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xstatic said:
You should really pick up "Behind The Glass", you'll find many major label producers who use and recommend some low end consumer grade gear and no not for a designed shitty sound. In fact I recall one of them (Don't rememeber who and not looking through the whole book to find out) highly recommending one of the consumer grade TC all in one mastering units that get slammed out here. As far as the Grate Amp thing goes, do you really think you can't get a good sound or make a pro recording with a Crate amp? Jimmy page recorded zeps first album with a cheap ass tiny 20 watt Supro amp as well as used a 6x9 speaker. You are only limited by your own mind. Primus used a tascam 388 1/4 8 track and some cheap ass gear to record their first album .. ever hear it? Do yourself a favor and find it and listen to it, it sounds like a major label release. Behringer makes some great gear for the money, I only have three or four Behringer products but all have served my recordings very well and everyone who's heard my recordings think they were done in a "real" studio with "real" "pro" gear
By the way, my $300 Union import cheapy drums and Wuhan cymbals sound every bit as good as my Ludwig Classics/Paiste and my old DW Collectors that I paid $2,300 for. You have to know how to use the gear, if you don't then you are prone to falling for the hype marketing machine. Oh, and Bowies Producer wasn't after any type of sound using the Behringer, it's nonsense to think when used correctly you can't get pro results. I remember him saying a compressor is a compressor, they all do the same thing .. and for the most part he's right.
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EDAN
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mshilarious said:Which is why I play Fenders and Gibsons
But both companies use slave labor overseas to make their cheap lines .. how can you support that?
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xstatic said:
It is comparable... it just doesn't necessarily compare well.
mshilarious
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EDAN said:But both companies use slave labor overseas to make their cheap lines .. how can you support that?
I had a Korean roommate once, so they owe me
As for the Behringer Composer, that design was taken from a well-known compressor, so if it sounds good, it's not exactly serendipitous. In fact those are the sorts of shenanigans that people are talking about here.
And my US-made amp, I designed a fair chunk of that circuit myself, and since I'm not a big believer in IP law (IP karma works well enough), I publish all my schematics here and declare them to be public domain, so Uli can copy them guilt-free
mshilarious
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EDAN said:
Maybe I am unusual in these parts because I prefer money to excess gear, but why don't you sell the Ludwig and DWs?
Farview
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The TC Finalizer was a great thing in 1997. Things change.
You mean to tell me he can't tell the difference between a 3630, proVLA, LA2A, and a SSL buss compressor? I'm not sure I would take advise from someone like that.
The operative word is 'almost'. Reverse engineering is fine, but actually stealing the circuit board layout, circuit design and everything, isn't.
Farview
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If you can't tell the difference, you're deaf. If you are a good enough engineer to get usable sounds out of the cheap stuff, good for you. But don't tell me there is no difference.EDAN said:
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yea...it's official...edan is full of shit...or just dumb as shit.Sillyhat said:
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EDAN
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mshilarious said:
The DW's were sold awhile ago. The Ludwigs were for band rehearsal and are down the road at a building we lease. I was going to bring them up for my studio and use the Union cheapos for down there, but I ended up being bored one night and set them up at home and they sounded great so I now use them for recording and didn't have to go through the hassle of hauling both kits back and forth. Plus, I like excess gear!
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c7sus said:Exactly!
'74 SG, 77 Martin D35Lefty, 85 D-45Custom lefty, '99 Fender P-Bass lefty
70-71 Fender Twin, 2001 Rivera, Carver, Klipsch, Mackie, Moog Voyager, MuTron, Morley, Geoffrey Teese, Peterson, KLON Centaur(very soon!!!).
I can hardly wait until Behringer makes guitars. Gibsons are a rip and Fenders are cheap garbage. Berry could probably do no worse.
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EDAN
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mshilarious said:I had a Korean roommate once, so they owe me
As for the Behringer Composer, that design was taken from a well-known compressor, so if it sounds good, it's not exactly serendipitous. In fact those are the sorts of shenanigans that people are talking about here.
If you think companies like Gibson and Fender aren't up to their own "shenanigans" then You don't understand the world of big business. Don't you understand that every company makes copy cats of their competitors well selling gear? Do you even know who made the first Electric guitar? Should Leo Fender be banished for taken someone else's idea and making millions? Should every car company who came after Ford be boycotted? Should we stop going to burgerking because they stole McDonalds idea? Come on, time to wake up and smell the decaf!
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Your waiting time is over
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Sillyhat said:
There is no difference. The Unions are 6 ply 100% C Birch, they sound like any other 6 ply C Birch drumset, no matter what the fancy name. They sound as good live, from infront, from behind. In fact I can and have gotten all but the cheapest of the cheap drum kits to sound great. I used to have a Tama Swingstar kit that sounded great, when I "upgraded" to a high end Granstar kit I remember thinking, these don't even sound as good as my damn Swingstars ... ahhhh, but it's "almost" all in the heads and tuning. The heads and tuning and room acoustics make up much more of the sound than the wood does. That's why you tune to the room you are in. Ever take a great sounding snare drum or whole kit and move it to a different room and it sounds like shit? If you haven't you haven't been recording long enough to understand. Not all gear cheap or not is created equal, but there is plenty or cheap gear that can compete and even out perform much more expensive gear. I owned a U47 for a short time, actually, it was on loan with the opt to buy, My lowely SP B-1 sounds just as good for most vocals and acoustic guitars, I mean it's so close that it's a matter of personal choice and in no way does the U47 blow the SP away, You or the girly down the street might like the 47 better, but anyone without and agenda and with a good ear will clearly hear that the B-1 is just as capable for many situations and at 99 cornflakes it doesn't get much cheaper. The thing rarely talked about in getting great recordings is the musicianship and songwriting, a great song performed great can null and void the gear used to record it, just ask Neil Young, his recording of Sugar Mountain was done at home ona cheap cassette deck.
Now, you've heard one of my recordings using cheap gear, Well, the cheap drums and Behringer gear and tape deck seemed to sound pretty damn good to you if I remember correctly .. and I do, so save your "don't tell you there is no difference" for people who can't produce good recordings and are naive enough to buy into it.
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EDAN
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Farview said:
So you're the type who thinks a good product becomes bad simply from sitting? it magically loses it's mojo over time? Records today certainly sound no better then they did in 97.
Farview said:
Yeah, he's only produced multi million selling albums, why would anyone take his advice when they can take yours
Farview said:
OEM my friend. The charges against Behringer were all but completely dismissed. There was a settlement made between Mackie and Behringer, the details were kept under wraps. This story took on a life of it's own. Behringer is a hugely sucessful company and it's because they offer mostly decent to good and a few great products for dirt cheap.
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do you have a link so that I can have a listen.EDAN said:
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ericlingus
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see the problem with that is now your opinion of his song is going to be biased as hell.