Another Reason to Avoid Behringer Gear?

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From Comformity.com:


FCC Continues Crack Down on Marketing of Unauthorized Equipment
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The Federal Communications Commission is continuing its strict enforcement efforts against the marketing of unauthorized equipment, proposing a $75,000 forfeiture against one manufacturer, and affirming a $65,000 forfeiture order against another.

The proposed forfeiture was levied against San Jose Navigation, Inc. for marketing four models of the company’s GPS signal re-radiator kits that operated on restricted frequency bands allocated for safety-of-life operations. In this instance, the Commission acted on complaints from the National Telecommunications & Information Administration, the Department of Transportation and other federal agencies which had expressed concern that the GPS re-radiator equipment could potentially interfere with federal government GPS operations.

The Commission also issued a Forfeiture Order in the amount of $65,000 against ACR Electronics for willful and repeated violations of its equipment marketing requirements. Specifically, the company was found liable for unlawfully marketing its personal location beacon device to the industry and the general public before it obtained certification and without the requisite disclaimer notice.

In a separate matter, the Commission affirmed its proposed forfeiture in the amount of $14,000 against Gibson Tech Ed, Inc. for marketing two models of unauthorized FM broadcast transmitters.

As we’ve previously reported*, the Commission recently proposed a $1 million forfeiture against Behringer USA, Inc. for illegally marketing over a five year period as many as 66 different models of mixers, amplifiers and digital effects processors, none of which had been verified for compliance with FCC requirements.

*FCC Proposes $1 Million Forfeiture for Marketing Unauthorized Equipment



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From March 9, 2006....Conformity E-News:

In what may be a record proposed fine for failing to test and verify equipment to applicable technical standards, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has proposed a $1 million forfeiture against Behringer USA, Inc. for marketing unauthorized digital audio devices.

According to the Commission, the proposed fine comes in connection with Behringer’s marketing in the United States of as many as 66 different models of mixers, amplifiers, and digital effects processors, none of which had been verified for compliance with applicable requirements. Company records indicate that Behringer imported approximately 1.17 million unauthorized devices, which were sold through approximately 2000 retailers over a five year period beginning in January 2000.

In an April 2004 response to a Commission’s inquiry over the devices, Behringer acknowledged that the products were subject to FCC Class B equipment verification requirements, and agreed that it had not verified compliance of any of the 66 models of digital devices prior to their importation. In its defense, the company claimed that “a range” of its devices had been tested and passed “CE directives,” and that it would immediately begin testing all of its products for compliance with FCC requirements.

However, subsequent investigation by the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau determined that Behringer continued to market devices for which it had failed to provide to the Commission test data reports. In fact, as of the date of the proposed forfeiture, the company had filed test reports demonstrating compliance with the Commission’s requirements for only 28 of the 66 models of digital devices, while continuing to market at least 50 models during the prior 12 month period.

The Commission says that the amount of its proposed forfeiture was based on $7000 for each of the 50 models that were marketed within the U.S. during the past year, and adjusted upward based “on the egregious nature of Behringer’s misconduct, its relative disincentive to comply (ability to pay a forfeiture), and the substantial economic gain it derived from its continued marketing of unauthorized devices after the Enforcement Bureau began its investigation.”

Our readers can view the complete text of the Commission Notice of Apparent Liability against Behringer at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-13A1.pdf
 
i have never bought a behringer product and probably never will after reading that.
 
I don't see how that would be a reason for someone to avoid behringer. Everything i've bought from them was great for the money and reliable. I've never once had a problem with my behringer 210 vtone amp, vamp2 and dualfex pro. I've had the amp for a year and a half with no problems and the vamp2 for close to a year with no problems. I havent had the dualfex pro for very long but no problems so far.
 
lol wait didnt notice this part "However, subsequent investigation by the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau determined that Behringer continued to market devices for which it had failed to provide to the Commission test data reports." Well still behringer has served me well so far.
 
ericlingus said:
I don't see how that would be a reason for someone to avoid behringer. Everything i've bought from them was great for the money and reliable. I've never once had a problem with my behringer 210 vtone amp, vamp2 and dualfex pro. I've had the amp for a year and a half with no problems and the vamp2 for close to a year with no problems. I havent had the dualfex pro for very long but no problems so far.

What you aren't getting is that Behringers' failure to comply is an unfair and illegal competitive advantage to them.

You are supporting a bunch of crooks that are putting legitimate manufacturers out of business. Reverse-engineered products are bad enough.
 
You mean other than the fact that B gear sucks ass and isn't reliable?

You're kidding me, right?
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Berhinger rules!!!!!!!!!! They have created more arguments on this website than Walters.
 
Well...i have a behringer mixer..theres really nothing bad in it EXCEPT the preamps. the behringer preamps destroy the mic's clarity and noise level. But i mean, other products by behringer such as compressor/limiter and other signal processors should be alright to have.
 
I don't use any behringer. But be glad it exists at least in some way. What if you were in a pinch needed a headphone amp for a session. I would have to say that I'd rather spend the $100.00 on the behringer and just throw it away when I'm done if I'm not using it. Then to have to invest money on something else. Anyway if its not in the signal path then so what if it sucks. By the way all the gear actually passed the FCC codes anyway. They just can't keep up with the demands for their new products so they rushed them and are paying the price. Besides overseas behringer is like peavey is to us in The U.S.. Its just cheap gear.
 
it just seems people are biased against the quality of their products because of their unethical practices. Personally I don't give a fuck what they do, as long as i'm happy with their gear. So far they havent let me down.
 
" By the way all the gear actually passed the FCC codes anyway. They just can't keep up with the demands for their new products so they rushed them and are paying the price"

well that's good to hear. I was interested in finding out whether or not they passed the FCC codes. For 200 bucks for an amp what else could I have gotten that is suited for metal? I tried all other amps in that price range and the vtone blew them away. The vamp2 is one third the price of the podxt and from what i've heard of the pods, the vamp2 sounds better at least for distortion sounds.
 
c7sus said:
What you aren't getting is that Behringers' failure to comply is an unfair and illegal competitive advantage to them.

You are supporting a bunch of crooks that are putting legitimate manufacturers out of business. Reverse-engineered products are bad enough.

BS, F**k the Gov! They are the biggest and worst crooks and liars in America!

Besides, you can find fault with any and all "ligitimate" manufacturers/big business if you look hard and deep enough. Long live Behringer, oh, and stick it to the man!
 
If you all hate your behringer gear so much send it to me.
I will pay shipping.
 
Ethics aside, the gear is still pretty cheap. The compressors, EQ's, preamps, converters etc... They all sound pretty bad to me. Even the headphone amp (which I do own) sounds pretty bad. If you think that any of it sounds good, it is most likely because you really haven't used anything better before.
 
EDAN said:
BS, F**k the Gov! They are the biggest and worst crooks and liars in America!

Besides, you can find fault with any and all "ligitimate" manufacturers/big business if you look hard and deep enough. Long live Behringer, oh, and stick it to the man!

They're not sticking it to the man

THEY'RE STICKING IT TO YOU!!!

You're buying designs ripped-off from guys like Greg Mackie that love him or hate him was building all of his stuff in the US of A until Behringer came along.

The "fault" is that the gear the make isn't compliant with US regulations for electronic devices.

That by itself should be enough to keep it out of your rack.
 
Wow, no compliance with FCC requirements?

I wonder if they have Underwriter's Laboratory (UL) compliance?
This is quite important because that is mainly safety and fire regulations.
 
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From Comformity.com:


FCC Continues Crack Down on Marketing of Unauthorized Equipment
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Federal Communications Commission is continuing its strict enforcement efforts against the marketing of unauthorized equipment, proposing a $75,000 forfeiture against one manufacturer, and affirming a $65,000 forfeiture order against another.

The proposed forfeiture was levied against San Jose Navigation, Inc. for marketing four models of the company’s GPS signal re-radiator kits that operated on restricted frequency bands allocated for safety-of-life operations. In this instance, the Commission acted on complaints from the National Telecommunications & Information Administration, the Department of Transportation and other federal agencies which had expressed concern that the GPS re-radiator equipment could potentially interfere with federal government GPS operations.

The Commission also issued a Forfeiture Order in the amount of $65,000 against ACR Electronics for willful and repeated violations of its equipment marketing requirements. Specifically, the company was found liable for unlawfully marketing its personal location beacon device to the industry and the general public before it obtained certification and without the requisite disclaimer notice.

In a separate matter, the Commission affirmed its proposed forfeiture in the amount of $14,000 against Gibson Tech Ed, Inc. for marketing two models of unauthorized FM broadcast transmitters.

As we’ve previously reported*, the Commission recently proposed a $1 million forfeiture against Behringer USA, Inc. for illegally marketing over a five year period as many as 66 different models of mixers, amplifiers and digital effects processors, none of which had been verified for compliance with FCC requirements.

*FCC Proposes $1 Million Forfeiture for Marketing Unauthorized Equipment



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From March 9, 2006....Conformity E-News:

In what may be a record proposed fine for failing to test and verify equipment to applicable technical standards, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has proposed a $1 million forfeiture against Behringer USA, Inc. for marketing unauthorized digital audio devices.

According to the Commission, the proposed fine comes in connection with Behringer’s marketing in the United States of as many as 66 different models of mixers, amplifiers, and digital effects processors, none of which had been verified for compliance with applicable requirements. Company records indicate that Behringer imported approximately 1.17 million unauthorized devices, which were sold through approximately 2000 retailers over a five year period beginning in January 2000.

In an April 2004 response to a Commission’s inquiry over the devices, Behringer acknowledged that the products were subject to FCC Class B equipment verification requirements, and agreed that it had not verified compliance of any of the 66 models of digital devices prior to their importation. In its defense, the company claimed that “a range” of its devices had been tested and passed “CE directives,” and that it would immediately begin testing all of its products for compliance with FCC requirements.

However, subsequent investigation by the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau determined that Behringer continued to market devices for which it had failed to provide to the Commission test data reports. In fact, as of the date of the proposed forfeiture, the company had filed test reports demonstrating compliance with the Commission’s requirements for only 28 of the 66 models of digital devices, while continuing to market at least 50 models during the prior 12 month period.

The Commission says that the amount of its proposed forfeiture was based on $7000 for each of the 50 models that were marketed within the U.S. during the past year, and adjusted upward based “on the egregious nature of Behringer’s misconduct, its relative disincentive to comply (ability to pay a forfeiture), and the substantial economic gain it derived from its continued marketing of unauthorized devices after the Enforcement Bureau began its investigation.”

Our readers can view the complete text of the Commission Notice of Apparent Liability against Behringer at http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-06-13A1.pdf

Those fines are a complete joke. Behringer makes $75,000 each hour of each day.
 
I'll bet that all those who think it's OK for Behri@#%*& to violate ethics, patent laws, FCC rules, etc just to get a cheaper product on the market wouldn't mind a bit if their music was pirated would they??? Just think about it, you spend weeks writing, rehearsing, and finally u get that big hit you've been dreaming about, then you get about 10% of the income you should have gotten because pirates copy and mass produce it for much less than your "R&D" and production costs. Wouldn't that be cool!! Cheap music, I don't care how I got it! Think about it when you buy products from less than honest companies.
 
xstatic said:
Ethics aside, the gear is still pretty cheap. The compressors, EQ's, preamps, converters etc... They all sound pretty bad to me. Even the headphone amp (which I do own) sounds pretty bad. If you think that any of it sounds good, it is most likely because you really haven't used anything better before.
Behringer is a bit like desposable razors.... If you need to shave but can't afford a good razor you buy what you can... sure there's better gear... sure it's cheap... what the issue is really about is value for money. Is a preamp that costs 10 times as much ten times as good? NO, because audio equipment costs are incremental..... An Avalon mastering EQ is better than just about any other EQ around... but at $18,000AUS how many people buy one? Fit for purpose is what we need to think about.. For people starting out with limited budgets and untrained ears stuff like Behringer and Alto's get's people started... Later on they upgrade as ears and wallets get better positioned... So let's stop bagging the cheaper gear manufacturers, they provide a service and aren't trying to be something they're not....
 
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