Treeline
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HEY, MACLE!
YOU'VE GOT A MESSAGE OVER AT THE CAVE. SOMETHING ABOUT THE JAMFEST THREAD.
YOU'VE GOT A MESSAGE OVER AT THE CAVE. SOMETHING ABOUT THE JAMFEST THREAD.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Are you using the API's and distressor like chess said? I was thinking of putting together an API Lunchbox.
I have to believe there is some type of high quality front end going on here
I have to believe there is some type of high quality front end going on here
wes480
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yeah mac what are the odds of you showing up at that jamfest thing? heh
macle
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chessrock-Yeah, seems like a great deal, especially compared to how much the hardware would be. For now, though, have to stick with the Paris reverb.
twist-Thanks! I don't really know them, maybe Kazaa will help! Thanks again.
Treeline-Jamfest?! Didn't know this was happening. Won't be able to make it, too long a drive, but thanks for the invite! Drink one down for me!
Tex-I don't have the lunchbox thing, just a rack mount, the Averill repackage thing. The lunchbox would be good in the long run, though, cuz you can add more preamps and the EQ and everything. I decided on the API, after much question asking. Used by pros, relatively cheaper, figured I can't go wrong. Same for the Distressor, after trying unsuccessfully to make the RNC work, which would have been much better money-wise! Credit cards are fun!
wes-well, the odds are about infinity to 1, but I will be there in spirit!
Macle
twist-Thanks! I don't really know them, maybe Kazaa will help! Thanks again.
Treeline-Jamfest?! Didn't know this was happening. Won't be able to make it, too long a drive, but thanks for the invite! Drink one down for me!
Tex-I don't have the lunchbox thing, just a rack mount, the Averill repackage thing. The lunchbox would be good in the long run, though, cuz you can add more preamps and the EQ and everything. I decided on the API, after much question asking. Used by pros, relatively cheaper, figured I can't go wrong. Same for the Distressor, after trying unsuccessfully to make the RNC work, which would have been much better money-wise! Credit cards are fun!
wes-well, the odds are about infinity to 1, but I will be there in spirit!
Macle
Treeline
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Hee hee - we don't give up that easily
Hey, there's folks coming from Canada, California and Ohio, to name a few spots. Shoot me an e-mail and lemme know where you're located; I'll try and see if anyone else is coming from that area. (No fair if you're on a satellite link from Inuvik).
Hey, there's folks coming from Canada, California and Ohio, to name a few spots. Shoot me an e-mail and lemme know where you're located; I'll try and see if anyone else is coming from that area. (No fair if you're on a satellite link from Inuvik).
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Damn Macle, seems like we're on the same equipment wavelength. Could you explain a little more about the RNC - Distressor differences. Those two are on the top of my list. I love the sound U2 gets with the Distressor.
wes480
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wha?? U2..where where??
wes480
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woah...1500 bucks...had no idea.
macle
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Treeline-Thanks a lot for the invite, but I'm gonna have to decline. Just way too busy. But I do appreciate it!
Tex- I would say the RNC is possibly good as a simple unassuming compressor, if you need simple unassuming compression at a cheap price. But, troubles I had: some sort of impedance mismatch with the API caused a low end problem. It was cutting the low end on bass, major frustration, cuz I didn't know what was going on. On edgier vocals, it just was useless, peaks got through, couldn't find a setting, etc. Just a real waste of time trying to make it work (everywhere and everyone said it was such a great compressor, I figured it must be me not knowing what I'm doing, but I finally thought, fuck the RNC and what everyone says, who cares!!). I ended up not using any compression at all during tracking, until I got the Distressor. The Distressor is easy to use, sounds great, has different flavors, but it costs a bunch more!!
Wes-I think you can get it a little cheaper than that, but yeah it's a lot. Other than Paris, it's the most expensive thing I've got.
Macle
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/3songs
Tex- I would say the RNC is possibly good as a simple unassuming compressor, if you need simple unassuming compression at a cheap price. But, troubles I had: some sort of impedance mismatch with the API caused a low end problem. It was cutting the low end on bass, major frustration, cuz I didn't know what was going on. On edgier vocals, it just was useless, peaks got through, couldn't find a setting, etc. Just a real waste of time trying to make it work (everywhere and everyone said it was such a great compressor, I figured it must be me not knowing what I'm doing, but I finally thought, fuck the RNC and what everyone says, who cares!!). I ended up not using any compression at all during tracking, until I got the Distressor. The Distressor is easy to use, sounds great, has different flavors, but it costs a bunch more!!
Wes-I think you can get it a little cheaper than that, but yeah it's a lot. Other than Paris, it's the most expensive thing I've got.
Macle
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/3songs
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JimH
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Fantastic. I’m in the camp of people who can’t criticize this at all since I think it’s great. I love the stereo spread. Maybe you can talk a little about how you go about that. I always like things like that, such as those graphic 3D-simulated worlds you can walk though (Did that comparison make any sense?). The blending/balancing is very nice and tight. In saying that I guess I’m thinking of the harmonies mostly, but everything else also. My favorite aspects of music have always been melody and vocal harmonies. Maybe that why I’ve always liked a lot of pop songs that I hate to admit to. You know, like the Turtles’ Happy Together and that kind of stuff. I’m also a mellotron fan. It’s such a cool sound that I wonder where we’d all be if it hadn’t been invented. Ok, so I’m exaggerating a bit.
Great sound and mix. I love it. I’ll keep it handy as a standard I’ll shoot for. The fact that you did this in your bedroom gives a lot of us hope. Now I just need talent.
Great sound and mix. I love it. I’ll keep it handy as a standard I’ll shoot for. The fact that you did this in your bedroom gives a lot of us hope. Now I just need talent.
macle
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Hi JimH! Thanks very much.
Stereo-wise, um, well, don't really do anthing special other than pan stuff (I don't think anything is recorded in real stereo, come to think of it, would like to try that!). On the backing vocals, I'll sometimes do each part 4 times (sometimes more), so 2 left and 2 right for each part. Sometimes I'll move one side back 10 or 20 ms, so there's more of a stereo effect. I'm really into doubling, too much probably.
I love the mellotron, too, wish I had a real one. Saw one once, amazing machines. I guess if there never had never been a mellotron, we'd be surrounded by cold harsh digital type synth sounds!!
Thanks again!
Macle
Stereo-wise, um, well, don't really do anthing special other than pan stuff (I don't think anything is recorded in real stereo, come to think of it, would like to try that!). On the backing vocals, I'll sometimes do each part 4 times (sometimes more), so 2 left and 2 right for each part. Sometimes I'll move one side back 10 or 20 ms, so there's more of a stereo effect. I'm really into doubling, too much probably.
I love the mellotron, too, wish I had a real one. Saw one once, amazing machines. I guess if there never had never been a mellotron, we'd be surrounded by cold harsh digital type synth sounds!!
Thanks again!
Macle
Guernica
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.............you know Macle..........
I just realized that you have 70 psts on this thread, and no stars......... .........well that'll be the end of that....damnit!
I just realized that you have 70 psts on this thread, and no stars......... .........well that'll be the end of that....damnit!
Queue
Active member
Macle,
Amazing... You've taken "Baby You're a Rich Man" and "Lucy in the Sky" and Squeezed them into a Corrs bottle.... (along with a bunch of other cool stuff)
...all the cool little things happening in my headphones, very fun...
Can hardly wait until the morning when the family is awake and I can blow this out the monitors.
Queue
Amazing... You've taken "Baby You're a Rich Man" and "Lucy in the Sky" and Squeezed them into a Corrs bottle.... (along with a bunch of other cool stuff)
...all the cool little things happening in my headphones, very fun...
Can hardly wait until the morning when the family is awake and I can blow this out the monitors.
Queue
wes480
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macle said:
gotta be kidding me....I was always listening to the acoustic guitar the beginning (as well as on hardcore...same sound basically) thinking damn, mac is really good at reocrding his Martin in stereo...what'd you do then? Just paste the part to each channel and mess with the EQ in one?
macle
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Mike-Alright, thanks very much for the stars! I'm not worthy, but I'll take them anyway!
Queue-Thanks very much. There are lots of little "influences" in there. Sort of a tribute. Kinda what the song is about, in fact.
Thanks a lot for checking it out!!
Wes-Hi Wes! Well, I guess I meant stereo recording where you use 2 mics, where as what I do is just record the acoustics twice (in mono), and pan them to create a stereo effect (I'm guessing most people do it this way, don't they?). I do that on almost everything, the acoustics, vocals (sometimes), guitar bits (sometimes), the guitar solo!! (funny about that, someone said to me a while ago that I never really have a (guitar) solo, and this song has one, and nobody notices ).
Macle
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/3songs
Queue-Thanks very much. There are lots of little "influences" in there
. Sort of a tribute. Kinda what the song is about, in fact.Thanks a lot for checking it out!!
Wes-Hi Wes! Well, I guess I meant stereo recording where you use 2 mics, where as what I do is just record the acoustics twice (in mono), and pan them to create a stereo effect (I'm guessing most people do it this way, don't they?). I do that on almost everything, the acoustics, vocals (sometimes), guitar bits (sometimes), the guitar solo!! (funny about that, someone said to me a while ago that I never really have a (guitar) solo, and this song has one, and nobody notices
). Macle
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/3songs
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ap
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It blows me away to think of trying to make all those sounds work in and out like that. Very cool. Great song, great sound.
Do you have an idea of all the sounds in your head before hand, or do you get a basic song down first and then start adding all the fun elements, experimenting as you go?
Just in case you care about these things, and I feel kinda silly mentioning it, but since you put it in the title on your link, "your" should be spelled "you're."
Do you have an idea of all the sounds in your head before hand, or do you get a basic song down first and then start adding all the fun elements, experimenting as you go?
Just in case you care about these things, and I feel kinda silly mentioning it, but since you put it in the title on your link, "your" should be spelled "you're."
macle
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Hi ap, thanks very much!
The song is completely written before I start recording, and I usually have a general idea of how I want it to sound, but getting that idea into reality takes experimenting, adding, subtracting, changing, messing around, etc. On this song, in fact, I did a first version, but it didn't come out right at all. I wanted it to be a bit more "groovy", and I think I got a little closer the second version. The second version, once I got the general feel, then it was relatively easy putting together the arrangement.
One thing I've been trying to improve on, which is hard when you're doing these sort of busy productions, is getting things out of the way of other things, putting things in the holes, and all that.
The "you're" thing
! Someone else pointed that out, too. I changed it on the website, but I can't edit the link here.
Thanks again!!
Macle
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/3songs
The song is completely written before I start recording, and I usually have a general idea of how I want it to sound, but getting that idea into reality takes experimenting, adding, subtracting, changing, messing around, etc. On this song, in fact, I did a first version, but it didn't come out right at all. I wanted it to be a bit more "groovy", and I think I got a little closer the second version. The second version, once I got the general feel, then it was relatively easy putting together the arrangement.
One thing I've been trying to improve on, which is hard when you're doing these sort of busy productions, is getting things out of the way of other things, putting things in the holes, and all that.
The "you're" thing
! Someone else pointed that out, too. I changed it on the website, but I can't edit the link here. Thanks again!!
Macle
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/3songs
dachay2tnr
One Hit Wonder
macle - I'm much too lazy to read through the entire thread, so whatever's been covered before just ignore.
Great song, great arrangement and great harmonies. Can you tell me what effects you used on the voices. It sounds a little flanged, but I don't think it's a flage. Very interesting.
The only negatives I would mention are that I didn't like the bass. I'm not sure if it was the sound of the bass or the lines being played - but most probably the sound.
Also there is one part around the 2:21 mark that just shouts Beatles. I know your stuff is Beatlesque to start, but this part goes a little too far IMHO.
Otherwise great stuff.
Great song, great arrangement and great harmonies. Can you tell me what effects you used on the voices. It sounds a little flanged, but I don't think it's a flage. Very interesting.
The only negatives I would mention are that I didn't like the bass. I'm not sure if it was the sound of the bass or the lines being played - but most probably the sound.
Also there is one part around the 2:21 mark that just shouts Beatles. I know your stuff is Beatlesque to start, but this part goes a little too far IMHO.
Otherwise great stuff.
wes480
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I noticed the solo macle.
I thought it had a very George Harrison circa Revolver tone to it or something....it fit well..esp with the whole beatles "theme" of the album, if you will.
Ah, well...you probably get better results with your dual mono theory. I always try to record my acoustic with 2 mics (ever since I got the second NT3) - and...sometimes it's cool sometimes not so cool. When it's done right it sounds very "real"...but, I think for the sound you get - that very in your face pop sound - it probably wouldn't work as well.
When I've done it "right" - it sounds like someone is in the room playing *my* guitar...I mic it back just a tad, with the "true" stereo etc, and it sounds "real".
But, this isn't really the sound I am going for a lot of the time, so...I will probably start trying it your way more often.
I thought it had a very George Harrison circa Revolver tone to it or something....it fit well..esp with the whole beatles "theme" of the album, if you will.
Ah, well...you probably get better results with your dual mono theory. I always try to record my acoustic with 2 mics (ever since I got the second NT3) - and...sometimes it's cool sometimes not so cool. When it's done right it sounds very "real"...but, I think for the sound you get - that very in your face pop sound - it probably wouldn't work as well.
When I've done it "right" - it sounds like someone is in the room playing *my* guitar...I mic it back just a tad, with the "true" stereo etc, and it sounds "real".
But, this isn't really the sound I am going for a lot of the time, so...I will probably start trying it your way more often.
macle
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dachay2tnr-Thanks!! There's not really anything weird on the vocals, the only thing I can think that would cause a flanging/chorusing would be doubling. Other than that, there's just a bit of reverb, compression, and EQ. Or maybe mp3ing is doing something.
About the bass, hmmm, I was thinking the bass was pretty good. What didn't you like about it? (Someone else said they thought the bass was too "tubby", but I'm not really sure what that means.)
About the bit at 2:21, yes, probably too far! I think it's the bass there, in fact. I had a different line, but...the song is actually about 2 of them, so I figured, go ahead.
Thanks very much,
Macle
P.S. Enjoying you're mastering game. One of my tunes was sort of mastered professionally. I may play, too!
About the bass, hmmm, I was thinking the bass was pretty good. What didn't you like about it? (Someone else said they thought the bass was too "tubby", but I'm not really sure what that means.)
About the bit at 2:21, yes, probably too far! I think it's the bass there, in fact. I had a different line, but...the song is actually about 2 of them, so I figured, go ahead.
Thanks very much,
Macle
P.S. Enjoying you're mastering game. One of my tunes was sort of mastered professionally. I may play, too!