Analog vs Digital

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Yo guys,

I've been told that if I was willing to spend an extra couple hundred, to go with digital setups. I was wondering some of the pros and cons of digtal vs. analog, and what some of you have found from experience. I know that analog saves on smart media, but what IS smart media? The digital recorder I was looking at was the Boss BR-8, and I have heard that since it records to zip disk, there isn't much memory room to manuever with, or something to that extent. Would I be correct in saying that if I got an analog recorder (such as the TASCAM 424 mkIII), it would give me more memory, and let me record more tracks simultaneously?

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Curly
 
It really just depends on what you want. If you don't mind the tap hiss, the rewinding, and other hassles that go along with an anlog four track, go for it. But, if you want to eliminate that hiss, and be able to work audio wonders with punch in and moving things around and so on, you need to go digital.

I notice that you didn't mention a PC in your post. If you have a PC even a few years old, it could probably handle anything a four-track can with just a few adjustments and a new sound card. You could get a card like the M-Audio Delta 44 for around $230 that will record your four tracks simultaneously and do it at 24/96 quality. You should check this sort of option out if you have a PC to put it into.
 
You sound a bit mixed up there. I assume that Smart Media is something like those little things that are used in digital cameras. Anything that saves on smart media or zip disks is a digital recorder. Analog recorders are tape recorders-- reel-to-reel or cassette (like the Tascam you mentioned).

Zip disks do have indeed have limited capacity compared to the big hard drives available these days (it's storage capacity, by the way, not memory), but so does cassette tape. Basically the longest you can get with a 90 minute cassette at the faster speed (for the best possible audio quality) is 22 minutes, and four tracks is it. I'm not sure about that particular model, but many cassette multitrackers only let you record two tracks at once.

Digital recorders offer so much better quality and so much greater flexibility, even in a small and less-fancy one like that Boss unit.
 
The BR-8 can record only 2 tracks at a time, for a total of 8 tracks [+ virtual tracks], uses Zip discs, and has minimal input mixing capability, with only 2 inputs.

The BR-532 can record only 2 tracks at a time, for a total of 4 tracks [+ virtual tracks], uses Smartmedia cards, and also has minimal input mixing capability, with 3 inputs, a built in mic and onboard drum patterns. A 32MB Smartmedia card holds less than 5 minutes of 4 track data.

The 424mkIII can record up to 4 tracks simultaneously, for a total of 4 tracks, uses cassettes, and has a full functioned 8 input stereo mixer. A C60 cassette runs 15 minutes, and a C90 runs 22.5 minutes in 4 track mode.
 
Sonny Larson-

I do have a PC and actually it is not even one year old. It is a Hewlett-Packard, but I don't know what kind of soundcard it runs. Are you suggesting that I get a software program like Cakewalk, and record onto my computer?

A Real Person -

You said the BR-8 only has 2 inputs, while the 424mkIII has 8. This means for example I could only plug two guitars, or a mic and guitar into the BR-8, while on the TASCAM I could plug in up to 8 different instruments?
 
Are you suggesting that I get a software program like Cakewalk, and record onto my computer?
I don't know about sonnylarsen, but I would certainly suggest it. For the price of the Tascam you could probably buy a small mixer and some recording software and still have enough left for a plug-in effect or two.

You said the BR-8 only has 2 inputs, while the 424mkIII has 8. This means for example I could only plug two guitars, or a mic and guitar into the BR-8, while on the TASCAM I could plug in up to 8 different instruments?
Well, it looks to me like there's only six channels with faders, but I guess if you rigged up the extra stereo input you could have eight signals into the mixer section, yes. But you can only have four separate recorded tracks.
 
Well, basically yes.

As a matter of fact, the BR-8's inputs are [1] mic and [1] line input.

The inputs on the BR-532 are [1] {hi-Z} line, [1] {lo-Z} 1/4" mic, and [1] XLR mic input. BTW, it has a built in mic, but when you plug into either the XLR or 1/4" mic input, the built in mic is overridden.

The spec sheet for the BR-532 and BR-8 says both of these units will record up to 2 tracks simultaneously, which was not apparent when I first demo'd these units. I guess I believe they can both record up to 2 tracks simultaneously, 'cause it's in the spec sheet, right? But, maybe an actual BR-8 or BR-532 user can comment as to whether this is correct or not. There's probably a sub menu setting on these units where you'd link two tracks together on record, right? Hmmm.

Anyway, as I said, IMO, the input-side mixing capabilities of both the BR-8 and BR-532 are minimal.

Basically, [not that you asked], but anything I say about the BR-532, I would also say applies to the Korg PXR4, which is another mini-portable digital recorder that records to Smartmedia cards. Tascam will release the much awaited Pocketstudio 5, sometime soon, which also boasts of recording in digital to Smartmedia.

Regarding the 424mkIII, you have 8 inputs that get mixed down to stereo, BUSS L/R. Yes, it can handle 8 inputs simultaneously, or 10, if you count the SUB INs.

In my bottom line opinion, for 4-track, NEW equipment, I'd definitely recommend the Tascam 424mkIII over the BR-532 and PXR4, based on the overall cache of features that the 424mkIII delivers, and the others don't.

Regarding the difference between the sound quality of the cassette 4-track vs. the digital-only 4-trackers, I'd say that in the right hands, a 4-track cassette can be driven to levels of hifi that would challenge the digital units.

Being 'digital' and 'portable', [IMO, micro-miniaturized], is the biggest selling point of the BR-532 and PXR4, but feature-for-feature, IMO, the 424mkIII blows them away. It kind of depends on your recording needs, and what you're looking for.

One drawback of the Smartmedia units, is that after your 5-minute epic, 4-track composition, the media is full and has to be mixed down to stereo, and recorded onto your computer, before you can erase & continue. Not too convenient, huh? And, the Smartmedia cards are expensive.

Cassette, on the other hand, is a low cost, handy removable media, that gives longer recording time overall, and is easy to change on-the-fly. When the tape's full, just pop in another one, without missing a beat. Convenient, huh?

When it comes to 4-track USED Tascam equipment, the choices are many. For 4-track Tascams, I'd recommend the vintage 246 Portastudio, 234 Syncaset, and for r-r 4-track I'd recommend the 34B.

The 234 and 34B would not actally "require" an external mixer, because they both have RCA and 1/4" inputs, and a MONITOR/OUTPUT section, but IMO would be best used with an external mixer, such as the Tascam M30.

BTW, the Portastudio is actually a Tascam innovation, a Tascam brand name, and the likes of Fostex and Yamaha were basically 'me too' companies on the Portastudio bandwagon, with their own cassette 4-trackers,... as well as a couple others, Vestax and Marantz, early on,... [mid '80's].

With the Portastudio, Tascam ushered in the "all-in-one" format that made the Portastudio famous, and the BR-532, PXR-4, and Pocketstudio 5 are a modern adaptations of the "all-in-one" design philosophy,... as well as countless other digital recording workstations, not yet mentioned on this thread. [F/I, Tascam 788, Yamaha AW2816, Yamaha AW4416, Korg D1600, Roland BR-1180, and Roland CDX-1 Disclab, Akai 1212, Roland VS-1824, etc.]

On the other hand, you have a good, modern computer, and there are hoards of people on this board that would recommend you skip over cassette-based Porta's and digital all-in-one units, and just record onto your PC,with a software based recording suite.

No doubt, software/computer based digital recording offers state-of-the-art sound quality and editing & arranging features, sims, synths, sync, and everything else.

I, personally, would not recommend the novice, Newbie or first-timer to record directly onto the PC, unless you wanted to face a steep learning curve, potential technical issues and quirky problems, and you like fiddling around on your computer a lot. Other people would recommend computer-based recording highly.

My statements & recommendations are lengthy, and hopefully clear, but it's just my opinion, and you'll get different answers, depending on who you ask. I'm sure they're queueing up now, with other comments.

If you're looking at the BR-8, IMO, you'd do yourself a favor to check out the Tascam 388, used on Ebay. The 388, although not yet mentioned on this thread, is the Portastudio-format 1/4" reel 8-track, with a great 8x8x2 mixer melded to a 1/4" reel tape drive, all-in-one unit. It's the one-and-only 8-track analog Portastudio, it records 8 tracks simultaneously, and is not technically known as a "Portastudio", but as the "Studio 8". Go check out the 388, on Ebay. It's a backbreaker to lift, but it's the king of the hill, in Tascam ANALOG Portastudio design,... [btw, it's out of production, and only available as used].

If you're willing to buy up in the analog formats, there's the Tascam 38 and TSR-8, [used] reel-to-reel 8 tracks. I'd highly recommend both decks, but they would require an external mixer.

If you're leaning toward digital, there's the Tascam 788, 8-track digital Portastdio, an all-in-one design, currently available as new, which would definitely blow away the BR-8, but the Roland BR-1180 gives the 788 a run for it's money!.

I'll be the first to tell you, that my ideas and recommendations are not in 'sync' with the current home-recording model, that's being pushed, i.e., mic->preamp->multi i/o soundard->software-based computer recording, or digital-audio->Smartmedia->computer-based mini-recorders.

Buying a recording system's a very personal decision, and the choices are many. You'll have to assess your needs, and you'll have to scrutinize many devices and ideas, before you can make a well informed decision

Thanxs for reading this lengthy memo, and good luck on the search.;)
 
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The 424mkIII has 6 full mixer strips, and inputs 7 & 8 have only a level control.

Those 8, plus the SUB INs give the 424mkIII 10 inputs, total. The 424mkIII's mixer section is a stereo-format mixer, 8x2.
 
If you want to make recordings that even approach pro-quality, and don't want to spend tens of thousands, digital is the only way to go. If you're somewhat familiar with your computer, computer recording is going to have a learning curve similar to recording to four-track, IMHO. There is a lot to learn, but the same could be said of even a cassette four-track. Believe me, you'll be much happier with the results you get from even the lowest end computer setup, as compared to a cassette setup.
 
Even if the quality was the same or slightly less, the flexibility of digital recording alone would make me choose it. As it is, the quality is hugely better in a digital system. IMHO, there's no contest.
 
Listen bro, forget what you here about digital vs. analog

We are in the information/digital age so figure it out








10 years from now the question on this board will be

What is analog recording?
 
And just for the record, it's TASCAM, not Tascam. It's an acronym...but don't ask me what it stands for.
 
arjanitor said:
And just for the record, it's TASCAM, not Tascam. It's an acronym...but don't ask me what it stands for.
It stands for "TEAC Audio Systems Corp America..."

From the TASCAM website company history section -

"...The beginning of TASCAM starts with the founding of TEAC nearly fifty years ago. In 1953, a pair of engineers in Japan - the Tani brothers - created the first TEAC product line, which was comprised of open-reel audio tape recorders. In the late 1960's, the Tani brothers and Dr. Abe, a senior engineer at TEAC, formed a special R&D group named TASC (TEAC Audio Systems Corp.) for the purpose of researching ways to apply TEAC's recording technology for musicians and recording studios. TASCAM (TASC AMerica Corp.) was established in 1971 for the purpose of distributing TASC products in the U.S. and conducting additional market research. The company's first home was at 5440 McConnell Avenue, on the west side of Los Angeles near Marina del Rey..."
 
cakewalk/soundcard

An inexpensive way to get some digital audio recorded and see if you like dealing with the pc interface may be to buy cakewalk express, i think i have seen it for about 29 bucks online, you can only record 4 audio tracks but you can bounce by using the What YOU HEAR selection in the mixer. no it is not the best but i found it to be better than the cheap analog 4 tracks that i could afford. midi tracks i believe are limited to pc performance. as far as soundcards sound blaster has cards for cheap that may get you by, i use sblive and am content as i have just started recording digital, you can record through a sound card with a mic in or line in. line in is nice.
 
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