Analog Gear for Sale

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hey maddog,

what kind of mixer were you using with your Tascam 16 track? Are you upgrading to a new tape recorder? thx

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At first I used a Tascam 2516 with the Tascam MSR-16, but am now using a Soundcraft Ghost 32 (not the LE, the standard).

I usually have two recorders connected to my console; the second machine is a Tascam MS-16 I bought about a year ago, which became my main machine, with the MSR taking a secondary role. The MSR is being replaced with an IZ Corp. RADAR V. I don't have the new machine yet, so I haven't been able to compare it to the MS-16, but I plan on doing a bunch of comparison tests in the future for myself and for the benefit of everyone here. I plan on keeping the MS-16 as my main machine and the RADAR as my second machine due to the low-operating cost of digital media, but I'm open-minded as to how this will all work.

My friend has an IZ Corp RADAR 24 at his studio. He is one of the people who got me started chasing the analog rainbow, but he hardly ever uses his Otari 24 track 2 inch. The difference between he and I though is his studio is a business, and there isn't too much interest in recording onto tape from his clients.

-MD
 
Do you like the Ghost a lot more than the Tascam Mixer? Sounds like you have a cool setup.

What was your experience with the msr-16? I know that's a weird question since you're trying to sell it.. but just curious. MS-16 is 1 inch tape if I remember correctly, so I guess that would be why you chose to use that instead of the 1/2 inch msr-16.

thx man.
 
I think the Ghost is awesome. In terms of it's class and cost, I'd make the argument that it's the ultimate home studio console. I saw one in mint condition on Craig's List about three years ago for a bargain and couldn't pass it up. It has MIDI mute automation, which the Tascam 2516 and 2524 also have. It has a lot of real parametric EQ with a Q setting, low and high pass filters, individual phantom power for each channel, 8 busses, tape return trims, and a load of other features I'm sure I'm neglecting as I recall them off the top of my head; certainly a lot of conveniences that I've begun to take for granted!

For a short time before I had a 2516 I had a Mackie 32x8. I had some logic board problems with it so I returned in within a month then found the 2516. I think the 2516 actually has better sounding pre-amps and also had the MIDI mute automation, which I never implemented through MIDI while I was using it, but I did use the scene recall settings, which lets the user, with the touch of 2 buttons, recall different mute settings across the whole board, which can be a real lifesaver. The Ghost also has this but it's a little easier to implement and recall than the 2516.

You are correct about the track width specifications of those two machines. But, the MS-16 is a generation older than the MSR-16.

I think the MSR-16 is a great machine. I used to own a TSR-8, but soon sold it because I couldn't hear a difference between the two machines. I know this isn't the experience of everyone with a TSR, but I found I had to use the DBX otherwise there was too much hiss. With the MSR-16, it's also pretty mandatory to use the DBX. This is not a bad thing, as the DBX does and awesome job of noise reduction, but if you're trying to get any real tape saturation you're not going to be able to due to the narrow track width, and it will throw off the DBX and give you a really dull sound without the punch you're expecting.

I picked up my MS-16 for a really good price on Craig's List over a year ago and it came with a spare parts machine. Allegedly a previous owner was New Alliance Studios, and that one of the machines was used to record Godsmack's first album. Using DBX is not mandatory when recording on this machine, but I picked up 8 channels of it any for any potential quiet passages where hiss could easily show its ugly face. In all honesty, I can't hear any real difference between the MS and MSR if using DBX. But, I can turn off the DBX, hit the tape extremely hard, and get some impressive results for snare sounds. My cousin and I have been working on an industrial dance album a la NIN's Pretty Hate Machine, hence the need for the tape compression on the drum machine tracks.

As for why I'm selling the MSR, although I love it, bands that come in looking for the "analog recording sound" are prejudiced against the machine because it's 1/2" 16 track and they've read on the internet that only 2" 16 track is acceptable. Moods change a little when I tell them that the first Godsmack album was recorded on my MS-16, and suddenly they're a little more open-minded. Since they're are only a finite number of bands that are interested in recording analog, I've recently purchased a RADAR V machine, hence the need to start selling a lot of my equipment.

-MD
 
Great. Thx Maddog. That was a bunch of good info. Maybe I'll be in touch if you haven't sold it by the time I'm ready. I'm not in a position to buy now, but could be in the future. Good luck though with all your recordings.
 
Any time, if things change in the next week or two and you're interested, give me a shout out. The machine is in mint condition and everything works perfectly on it. I also have an alignment tape I could include with it.

-MD
 
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