Allen & Heath WZ16:2DX question

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This is my first post in this forum and I couldn't really find the proper place for the question. I am moving from a 24 channel Yahmaha sound board at one church campus to an Allen & Heath WZ16:2DX at another campus. I have read the manual four times but cant seem to find a way to take the effects out of the bands monitors on stage. They get full effects instead of straight sound. Does anyone have any experience with this board and my issue? Thanks in advance.
Eric
 
It must have the monitors connect to the wrong outs, or the effect returns are going to the monitor sends.

alan.
 
How do you have it hooked up, and where are these effects coming from?

The way it's intended to be used, so far as I can tell:

- Stage monitors (up to 4 mixes, or 2 stereo mixes) are on Aux Sends 1-4. Set 3-4 to be pre-fader.

- Effects are on Aux Sends 5-6, and return to ST 1 (stereo return 1). If you only want to use two channels for the stage monitors, you could use Aux Sends 3-4 for different effects, and return it on ST 2 (you can set 3-4 to be post-fader for this application). Or you could use ST 2 for something else (recorded sound from a CD player during breaks, whatever).

- ST 1 has a pot that allows you to send to to Aux Send 1. Don't do that if you don't want effects in one of the stage monitors. Just turn that pot all the way counter-clockwise.

- Of course, the inserts are before the Aux Sends, so if you put any effects onto an insert, they will get sent to the stage monitors.

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I just noticed you're talking about the DX version, which of course has effects built right into the mixer.

That doesn't really change anything, though: the onboard effects get their signal from Aux 5/6 (or just Aux 5, depending on what effects you're using), and return to ST 1 internally. I believe the setup is otherwise pretty much the same, though you can send ST1 to both Aux 1 and 2. Again ... don't do that if you don't want effects in what's connected to Aux 1-2, which should be the stage monitors.

In summary:

- Connect stage monitors to Aux 1-2 [or Aux 1-4, if you want four separate feeds in the monitors].
- Create the monitor mix with the Aux send pots on each channel [make sure you set 3-4 to "pre" if you're using them for monitors].
- Route however much of each channel you want to go to the onboard effects with the pot(s) for Aux 5 (and 6).
- Keep the Aux Send 1 and 2 pots for ST 1 turned all the way counterclockwise.
 
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I would have to go with Witzendoz and say you must have it wrong or have monitors hooked into AUX 5 or 6 and your getting the internal effects, try muting the internal effects and have a go of it.
 
Thanks for the replies. I do have the monitor return hooked to aux 1. I am using Aux's 5 and 6 in dual mode for effects. I tried turning sp1 all the way counter clockwise a week or two ago and lost sound from the monitor. I will re-read you post when I go back up to the church and try again. If you have other idea's let me know. I really appreciate the fast replies.

Thanks,
Eric
 
bafaliceprod said:
I do have the monitor return hooked to aux 1.
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Probably just odd wording or me being thick, but "return" isn't the word I'd expect in that sentence. I'm assuming the jack on the mixer that says "Aux 1" above it (near the MIDI jack) is connected to a cord, the other end of which is connected to the input to the monitor amp (or powered monitor).

I tried turning ST1 [edit per later post] all the way counter clockwise a week or two ago and lost sound from the monitor.
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Okay, here I assume you mean the pot you turned counter-clockwise was the one near the top of the mixer to the right, just underneath the phantom power switch.

If, when you turned that down, you got nothing to the monitors, the problem is that you haven't sent anything from any of the main input strips to Aux 1, either (i) because you haven't turned the pots correctly or (ii) something's broken.

Just to state what's probably obvious:
- on each of the main channels 1-16 (or at least the ones that have input you want in the monitors), the Aux 1 pot should be turned up somewhere well above fully counter-clockwise.
- the master Aux 1 pot (just to the right of channel 16) should also be turned up, probably so it's straight up or further.
 
ssjohnston,

You are not "thick"...lol. I, being a newbie without formal training and doing this very part time, am using the incorrect verbage. Stage monitor amp is plugged into Aux 1. I do have 4 inserts going to a compressor. My assumption was the compressor only affected the house speakers, not the monitors. I do know that by disconnecting the inserts, the effects are gone in the monitor but then we loose the compressor for the house as well. So I need to figure out a way to get effects out of the inserts.
What I did today:

Turned Aux send 1 and 2 pots for ST1 all the way counterclockwise. These are the pots above the ST1 pot...resulted in loss of effects everywhere. Tried 3 and 4 as well just for kicks.

Turned ST1 pot all the way counterclockwise and loss of effects everywhere.

The key may be an internal issue with the board or something with the configuration of the inserts.

Again, thank you for your input.

Eric
 
Unplugging a compressor should have nothing to do with effects? Yes the compressor will effect the monitors but only with compression.

The manual shows exactly how to hook it up and how to operate it, you need to start again re connecting everything up and re-setting everything, there is obviously something connected wrong, maybe in the external compressor rack?

Cheers
Alan.
 
I'll be working a show today with an A&H mixwiz16. I'll look over what is what with hands on and try to have a better handle on your problem.
 
Not sure what's hooked up where, so what follows may or may not be helpful, but:

- House speakers should be connected to main outs: XLR connectors marked "L - Out - R"
- The inserts are before the Aux sends (right after the input pot), so yes, compressors inserted there will affect the stage monitors.
- Question: "4 inserts going to a compressor" ... I take it that means you have a compressor with four independent channels?
- Turning the ST1 pot all the way counterclockwise should result in a loss of effects everywhere.
- Turning the Aux 1 on ST1 all the way counterclockwise should result in
* a loss of effects on the stage monitors;
* the dry signal still being present in the stage monitors;
* no change to the house speakers.
 
Well from what I gather you must have it wired wrong Eric.
 
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