AH! help me with my home studio!

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OK, well I have a BOSS br-8 digital recorder, a 24 input behringer mixer, a BBE sound enhancer, a outbaord rack mount CD-R, and Cakewalk and a Dell computer, I've got JBL montiors and mains, a behringer head phone amp, a BLUETUBE stereo mic preamp, and a crate bass half stack and a marshall half stack, a rackmount equalizer, and a nady compresser/limiter, and a bunch of mics....the only problem is I DONT KNOW HOW TO SET THEM ALL UP AND HOOK THEM UP!!!! AHHH. COULD SOMEONE BE A HUGE HELP AND HELP ME OUT!!???
or if anyone lives in northern virginia come over and help me screw with it....wat else would I need to charge people for recording> rackmount wise etc. (i'm on a budget so i'm gonna need nady, behringer stuff etc....no top of the line stuff...besides I'm only 16 years old. Please e-mail me at Laxdant17@hotmail.com THANK-YOU!!! :) i'll put some pics up soon.
 
OnTheBlackRock said:
....wat else would I need to charge people for recording.

10 to 12 years of experience, and 50 - 60 grand for a proper facility.
 
yah..

yah well I'm pretty sure if you were the one who gave the guy the money for everything in his basment studio and he delivered everything in a huge ass truck with wires all over the place and about a millions things to connect you'd be in my situation. here's wat i just got delivered that sitting in my living room and making my whole family go in the back door until it's set up....also should i just sell my BOSS br-532 and yamaha mixer and JBL TR225 speakers ? i might to pay back my mom and dad the 42 grand they just paid for all this stuff....there getting a new car :( oh well this is much more worth it....the stuff i just recieved and have no clue how to hook up>....

Macintosh G4 733 with Pro Tools 24 MIX System

Antares Auto Tune
Bombfactory Classis Compressors
D-Verb
GRM tools
Hyperprisim plugins
Kind of Loud Realverb
Metric Halo Channel Strip
Soundreplacer
Waves Gold bundle

Mic Pre Amps:
Digidesign
Focusrite Green Channel Strip
Focusrite Green Voice Box
Joe Meek VC3
Mackie 1202-VLZ
Midiman
Presonus Blue Tube
Rane FMI-14
Sound Workshop 12 Channel Mixer

Outboard Gear:
NADY pro-crossover
Expander Interface
Digi-001
Cd burner
SM mic pre am (8 channel)
Alesis Equalizer
Vocal Producer
NADY RMX-6
Furman Wall wart
Aphex Easyrider
BBE Sonic Maximizer
Behringer Composer
DOD 6 Channel Headphone amp
Fostex VC-8
ADA MicroCab

Instruments/Amps: Behringer V-Amp
Ernie Ball Music Man Stingray Bass
Ibanez Talman with Seymour Duncan Humbucker
Line 6 Bass POD
Mesa Boogie 50 Caliber
Marshall 2x12 Cab
Marshall 1960A Cab
Marshall JCM 900
Marshall JCM 2000
5 Piece Drum Workshop Set
Yamaha Bass with Seymour Duncan
1976 Gibson Les Paul Standard
1970's Gibson SG Standard
Marshall JTM 30
 
Hmmm... if that's the whole list, it doesn't add up to 42K....

What's worse than buying gear and not knowing how to hook it up? Paying too much for gear amd not knowing how to hook it up..........

Why did you buy it if you knew nothing about it??? How could you determine its value if you didn't know whether you'd need it or not, or if you could even use it?

What you need to do now, if you're at all serious about it is start reading up on the processes involved and gaining an understanding about what's possible and what isn't, as well as what's going to be useful to you, and what won't be....

You won't get the answer overnight - you've got a lot of studying to do.... and you sure as hell won't get the answer from someone's post -- if you think it's that's simple, you better sell all the gear..............
 
Whatever equipment you've got (the first post or the last post) doesn't matter a bit at this point in your learning experience (except for the quality of the gear you have no idea how to use).

The traditional recording engineer's education used to begin as an assistant in a studio, where his job was to learn the place of every cable and the proper way to wire up the entire studio before he ever got his hands on a control knob. For home recorder's, its kinda the same approach, but the amount of gear to learn is usually limited to a few basic pieces and you learn the rest as you upgrade along the way.

If you truly have the gear in your second post you have a LOT of learning to do. The only "quick" way to get it all setup is to pay a professional to do it for you. And you'll need a room that is better than your living room, for sure.

That being said, the bottom line is there are no shortcuts to learning how a studio is setup and should work. Every piece of audio gear you have should have a manual (if not with the equipment try each manufacturer's website). The Digidesign (ProTools) manuals should cover some basic types of interfaces and possibly have some sample block diagrams that show how to hook things up. Start there, and also get yourself a good book on recording basics (I used "Home Recording for Musicians" when I started out). And let the learning begin.

Darryl.....
 
Oy. That's a lot of stuff. Congratulations on getting a big leg up in studio stuff.

Usually folks are really helpful around here, but that is WAAAAAAAY too big a mess to help you with via the internet. And the advice you are getting here is good, too, and well intentioned even if you might not think it is. You have a great opportunity to learn some cool stuff if you handle it right. You'll likely get frustrated and want to quit if you don't: all that stuff is more of a problem for a beginner than a help. Recording is a complex mix of art and science. You're young- you have a tremendous ability to learn much quicker than most of us crusty adults do, if you don't get so discouraged that you give up.

My best advice to at least get your family so they can move around in the house is to:

0) Completely put the idea of charging people for your services out of your mind. It will only get in your way. It may happen some day, but it shouldn't be your goal, ya know? The goal is learning how to make f*ckin great recordings! To do it so well people will beat down your door to record with you. And its YOU who will do it either well or poorly, not the equipment.

'Nough preachin. let's clean up that room.

1) Remove all the cables from the devices they are plugged into. Use masking tape to LABEL the cables so you know which device they go with. Chances are you only have to label a fraction of the cables, but if you don't know which ones are device specific you'd better label them all. If you do know, use your judgement.

2) Carefully coil the cables individually and use at least 2 zip ties or twisties to hold them in a coil. Do this as you remove them to avoid having to untangle them later. Tangles suck and stuff can easily get damaged.

3) Take all your cables and place them in boxes or bags and store them out of the way somewhere. Just removing cables from devices and/or packing them away neatly should greatly reduce the clutter.

4) Go through everything and make note of which ones you have manuals for and which you don't. You'll want to head to the websites to get what manuals you don't have, eventually. This is a good time to find your software installation CD's and authorization codes and make sure you know where it all is.

5) The core of your studio is going to be that Mac and the Pro Tools Mix 24 stuff that goes with it. That is all you NEED to have set up at first. Pack the rest of the stuff up. I'll stack rack stuff in boxes with blanket, towels, or clothes between each piece if I know I'm only moving the box within the house.

6) Figure out how to hook up your monitors to the Mix 24 system (which I hope is still in some kind of rack!) and set up just the Mac, the Mix 24 stuff and the monitors.

You are now ready to begin. God willing, the pro tools setup on the Mac is still configured properly and all you have to do is turn it on and boot up Pro Tools. While you're waiting for all those plugins to initialize, grab a coke or make some coffee, and pull out the manual for Pro Tools TDM (the software) and Digidesign Mix 24 (the hardware.) Start with the hardware manual's introduction and setup sections to start getting a sense for how it is hooked up to the computer and to outboard audio gear. Then start learning your way through the software- its pretty simple, but if you don't have much recording experience and don't know what you need to learn first, it can be quite complex.

Be careful not to spill that coke or coffee! :)

Hopefully, the Mac will still have some sessions on it that you can experiment with- if not, find the Pro Tools CD and see if it has a demo session. That's where you'll start.

At that point, you're on your own. I'd recommend getting comfortable playing back stuff in Pro Tools, learn how the mixer works, mute and solo buttongs, etc... then start recording something of your own- any thing, even burping the star spangled banner. That'll give you an opportunity to get your mixer, preamps, and microphones out to see how they work together and how they are different. I'd only get a few devices out at time (3 or 4, max), figure out how to hook them up, and play with them to see what they do. Then put them away to avoid confusion as you try a few others out.

I know that sounds painful, but I mean it. You'll save a lot of time in the long run by taking it in small bites. If you take none of my advice but this one piece, you'll still solve a lot of problems for yourself before they happen: forget about hooking it all up until you know what it all is and have some idea of how to use it.

Get that home recording book that DDev mentioned, or hit the Digidesign website (www.digidesign.com) and find one specific to Pro Tools. It will REALLY help you get the recording process down.

And as you get into it, ask questions on the board here- the newbies, computer recording, mixing, and mic forums will be more helpful to you than this one. You'll find that the more specific your question (i.e. "How do I connect a preamp to a Mix 24 system?" instead of "How do I hook all this stuff up?") the more likely you are to get a specific answer. And read the forums a bit before posting- as I'm sure you've noticed, some adults can get easily offended and wigged out by how younger people say things- even if you didn't mean to be offensive or whatever. You'll get a sense pretty quickly (by reading how others ask questions and how they are answered) how to phrase the questions so that you get a useable answer.

Anyway, that's my book for tonight. If any of it was unclear or you have a question about it, please email me (my email button is right below my post) and I'll do my best. You can also post your question here, fi you like.

Good luck with all that stuff! I envy you and I'm worried about you at the same time. That's an incredible gift to have all that good stuff, but its going to get in your way at first if you aren't careful.

Take care,
Chris
 
And to everyone else:

If I make my guess right, the parents made the call to buy the stuff and its not his fault if it wasn't the greatest deal or the greatest idea.

Its a pretty rare parent that is willing and able to povide such a robust opportunity to support and feed their child's interest. They probably saw an ad for a complete studio for sale and figured it was the fastest, least-risk way to make sure they had everything their child would need to really learn. For real. With "real studio" stuff.

I don't think its a good idea to hold that against him or discourage him because of it, eh? I'm a little jealous, too, but... he doesn't deserve any flack for it.

If I make my guess right, his initial equipment list was so short in order to AVOID the kind of razzing he's getting for having so much pricey stuff and not knowing how to use it. That was a good call on his part.

Anyway, I remember what it was like being 16 and catching hell for asking questions about stuff I didn't understand. Frustrating! How the hell am I supposed to understand it if I don't ask questions!? Why do adults suck so much?! Damn, I don't want to be one of them! But the clock keeps on ticking and...I have to. Anyone else remember that feeling?

Not his fault that his clock hasn't ticked along as far as ours. With a little help (and a lot of determination) he's got a pretty significant opportunity. And I've seen what "kids" can do if given a little help and respect.

Take care,
Chris
 
On The Black Rock,
Where the hell do you live? I can help you set this stuff up! You'll never get it hooked up this way.

bd
 
Chris - I guess what perturbed me was that here's a guy that doesn't even know how to hook up what he's got - let alone know how to use it - and wants advice on charging people for recording.
 
You're dead on Michael, that's straight out dishonest. I can see him recording for a few years in this studio, assuming he even gets it set up right, and still not being good enough to charge with any conviction.

My advice: find out what Mcdonald's pays to start in your area and charge half of that.

This guy paid HOW MUCH for used consumer gear?!?!?
 
Re: yah..

OnTheBlackRock said:
i might to pay back my mom and dad the 42 grand they just paid for all this stuff....there getting a new car :( oh well this is much more worth it....the stuff i just recieved and have no clue how to hook up>....

Macintosh G4 733 with Pro Tools 24 MIX System

Antares Auto Tune
Bombfactory Classis Compressors
D-Verb
GRM tools
Hyperprisim plugins
Kind of Loud Realverb
Metric Halo Channel Strip
Soundreplacer
Waves Gold bundle

Mic Pre Amps:
Digidesign
Focusrite Green Channel Strip
Focusrite Green Voice Box
Joe Meek VC3
Mackie 1202-VLZ
Midiman
Presonus Blue Tube
Rane FMI-14
Sound Workshop 12 Channel Mixer

Outboard Gear:
NADY pro-crossover
Expander Interface
Digi-001
Cd burner
SM mic pre am (8 channel)
Alesis Equalizer
Vocal Producer
NADY RMX-6
Furman Wall wart
Aphex Easyrider
BBE Sonic Maximizer
Behringer Composer
DOD 6 Channel Headphone amp
Fostex VC-8
ADA MicroCab

Instruments/Amps: Behringer V-Amp
Ernie Ball Music Man Stingray Bass
Ibanez Talman with Seymour Duncan Humbucker
Line 6 Bass POD
Mesa Boogie 50 Caliber
Marshall 2x12 Cab
Marshall 1960A Cab
Marshall JCM 900
Marshall JCM 2000
5 Piece Drum Workshop Set
Yamaha Bass with Seymour Duncan
1976 Gibson Les Paul Standard
1970's Gibson SG Standard
Marshall JTM 30
Hell, if I just got all that freakin' sh*t, I would sure as hell start messing with it all day and niight and have myself one helluva blast! If you are into it, you will figure it out. Start reading manuals.
 
Thanx

Hey thanx alot chris I took all the cable apart and did all what you said and I got em' all together and it's working good. I've recorded some acustic stuff and everything and it's got a real nice sound...wayyyy better than wat i got with my boss-532. I am now just slowly working the outboard gear into the whole system...adding it all at once will just confuse me and stuff. even though adding it one by one i have to disconnect cables all over and stuff. To everyone else it really wasnt my idea on everything to get it was just someone my rents knew and bought it off him as a favor to me. they knew i am really big into music and this is my thing so they decided to do me a favor on doing this. When i say making money on recordings I'm not sayin setting up my own business but just asking like a flat 50 bucks for recording a demo of local bands and stuff yah know? next week I'm going to record these guys for 75 bucks :) not much but it will eventually work up the money spent ont he stuff. also i'll have that posted so you all can hear how it sounds. WELL thanxs alot chris and i'll e-mail you if i have any questions.
 
ah I see.... those extra 2 letters REALLY DO take a lot longer to type...

Right up there with "prolly" and "ur"....

:rolleyes:
 
Michael Jones said:
I wondered that too.
It must be 16 year old speak for parent.

At least under 20 speak.
When you get addicted to AIM and IRQ over cell phones,
each character saved is important.

But how in hell can I know, I'm over 50.
This is what my 18 year old tells me.
 
Re: Thanx

You have no idea how any of this stuff works, or how to hook it up, and you're going to charge folks $75 to record? I've been doing this for ~4 years, know (sort of) what the heck I'm doing, and I've never charged anybody (because I'm still learning!) Has the band heard any of your stuff so they know what to expect before handing over the hard earned money? Oh wait, you can't have any "stuff" because you don't know how to hook up your $42000 dollars worth of prosumer cr*p!

Feel free to get your hands dirty recording bands, but don't charge anybody before you have a clue of what you're doing :(

</rant>

(sorry, it's Monday morning and I'm at work)

OnTheBlackRock said:
<snip> next week I'm going to record these guys for 75 bucks :) not much but it will eventually work up the money spent ont he stuff. also i'll have that posted so you all can hear how it sounds. WELL thanxs alot chris and i'll e-mail you if i have any questions.
 
Like Chris, I think we ought to stop the flaming. Give the kid a break. I would have given one of my hands to have had that kind of gift when I was 16, and now that I'm way too much older than that (with my own 16 year old daughter), I realize that maybe he's just trying to figure out how to get going. Yeah, its easy to blame him for not talking the way his elders talk, and taking offense at the questions he's asking, and its also easy to take a shot at a kid who is obviously in over his head and have some fun at his expense. I guess I'm just in a sentimental mood this morning and am getting tired of all the negativism around here. A bit of good humoured flaming is one thing, but to blast everyone who doesn't know as much as you do is getting old.

If he can get someone to pay him $75 to record a demo, let him. Don't discourage him. If it flops, he'll learn a valuable lesson. If it goes well, he'll also learn a few things he didn't know before and will be one more step down the road.

Enough of my soapbox for the day.

Darryl.....
 
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