Adobe Audition + Delta 1010 = stuttering and glitches

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I've been using my Delta 1010 with Adobe Audition 1.5 for a while now. And it works on the first track or for the first take most times. But once I really get into a session it will glitch or stutter right in the middle of recording, really pissing off me or whoever I'm recording. Unless I can punch in somewhere I pretty much can't get through a whole track once I reach 3 tracks. I thought it might be my PC, so when it finally crapped out two weeks ago I put together a new box using the latest technology including a core 2 duo chip and 1 GB DDR2 667 Mhz ram. I am forced to consider that the problem is shitty software or shitty delta drivers. The PC was only using 2% of processor speed and about 40% of ram. SO I know the PC is not even breaking a sweat. What do you think?
 
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My experience is that the problem is almost *never* the software, and if you want to eliminate that possibility, then uninstall Audition and re-install it, since that clears up any problems there might be with the software. If you still have the problem after an un- and re-install of Audition, and if your computer is as kickass as it sounds, then problem's in the settings somewhere in the Audition-soundcard-Windows triangle. IMHO
 
dobro said:
My experience is that the problem is almost *never* the software, and if you want to eliminate that possibility, then uninstall Audition and re-install it, since that clears up any problems there might be with the software. If you still have the problem after an un- and re-install of Audition, and if your computer is as kickass as it sounds, then problem's in the settings somewhere in the Audition-soundcard-Windows triangle. IMHO
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I don't know about that. I think it has to be the software or drivers. It uses WDM instead of ASIO for starters. And the PC is brand new with Windows and Audition just installed this week. The PC is a monster and completely current. The only other thing is the 1010 drivers. The latency is set at 256 and I'm using two harddrives to run the software. I have windows and Audition on an SATA HDD while Audition writes temp files to another IDE Harddrive partitioned in two as Drive E and F. So it has all the resources it can possibly need. It seems like the software is bogging itself down without ever even coming close to maxing my hardware.
 
undrgrnd studio said:
I've been using my Delta 1010 with Adobe Audition 1.5 for a while now. And it works on the first track or for the first take most times. But once I really get into a session it will glitch or stutter right in the middle of recording, really pissing off me or whoever I'm recording. Unless I can punch in somewhere I pretty much can't get through a whole track once I reach 3 tracks. I thought it might be my PC, so when it finally crapped out two weeks ago I put together a new box using the latest technology including a core 2 duo chip and 1 GB DDR2 667 Mhz ram. I am forced to consider that the problem is shitty software or shitty delta drivers. The PC was only using 2% of processor speed and about 40% of ram. SO I know the PC is not even breaking a sweat. What do you think?
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What you are describing sounds to me like it may be a jitter problem. That is the loud blips and crackles that occur when two digital devices are not properly synchronized with one another. (i.e., one sends samples at a rate that the other was not expecting.)

I don't know if your 1010 has any slave/master settings for the clock between the breakout box and the pci card but, if it does, this is where I would start to troubleshoot. (I don't own a 1010 and know little about them.) Perhaps there is some type of setting in the hardware driver or hardware control program for sample rate. Both devices need to agree. One must be set to master and the other to slave.

Hope this helps,
RawDepth
 
undrgrnd studio said:
I don't know about that. I think it has to be the software or drivers. It uses WDM instead of ASIO for starters. And the PC is brand new with Windows and Audition just installed this week. The PC is a monster and completely current. The only other thing is the 1010 drivers. The latency is set at 256 and I'm using two harddrives to run the software. I have windows and Audition on an SATA HDD while Audition writes temp files to another IDE Harddrive partitioned in two as Drive E and F. So it has all the resources it can possibly need. It seems like the software is bogging itself down without ever even coming close to maxing my hardware.
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The drivers I've got for my version of 1.5 work with XP on the machine. I installed them the same day I installed XP, and it's worked on my machine ever since, WDM drivers (I hate 'em) and everything. It worked for me, so that's why I think it should work for you. It's been really stable for me. But back in the days when I wasn't running a stable setup, I used solve about half or more of my problems using Cool Edit simply by reinstalling it.
 
undrgrnd studio said:
I don't know about that. I think it has to be the software or drivers. It uses WDM instead of ASIO for starters. And the PC is brand new with Windows and Audition just installed this week. The PC is a monster and completely current. The only other thing is the 1010 drivers. The latency is set at 256 and I'm using two harddrives to run the software. I have windows and Audition on an SATA HDD while Audition writes temp files to another IDE Harddrive partitioned in two as Drive E and F. So it has all the resources it can possibly need. It seems like the software is bogging itself down without ever even coming close to maxing my hardware.
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I see a problem here...

You should use two temp file locations but they should not be on the same drive. Using a drive that is partitioned into two halves (E & F) is not the same as two physical drives because the same read/write head has to serve both halves of that storage drive. Even though it appears to the user that there are two drives, there is no speed advantage. In fact, it will bog down the system somewhat. You will gain more performance by using two different physical drives because two heads can write more temp file data than one.

My C:\ drive is a SATA (like yours) and my D:\ is a larger IDE for storage. I got on each of those drives and created new folders called "audition temp files," the same place on both drives. Then in the AA program I set the temp file locations to use both of those folders.

Click on OPTIONS> SETTINGS> then click the SYSTEM tab at the top of the settings window. You will see a place to choose where the temp files should be written. One is shown as primary and the other as secondary. If you enter two different locations, (one in each field,) half of the temp files will go to one folder and the other half will go to the other folder. The software can then write to both locations simultaneously which will give a performance boost while recording.

RawDepth
 
The only way I solved my wierd glitch and stuttering problem with AA 2.0 was to control+alt+delete to my task manager and under "processes" give audition.exe "real time" priority. This cures my problems regardless of ANYTHING that might be going on the backround. Tis a stupid problem I have with a possibly a stupid fix....but it works 100%. This may work for you. Best of luck.

LT
 
RawDepth, Sound Diagnosis: I've implemented both of the suggestions you made. I've had problems with Cool Edit playback ever since my mixes started getting up around twenty or more tracks and ever since I started running tons of realtime effects on those tracks. If this improves performance on my machine, I owe both of you a keg of beer. Each.
 
OK I changes some settings

I changed the temp directories to two separate harddrives. But I still am confused about how to check and set sample rates to match in both Audition and the 1010.

In The DElta 1010 panel I can set the codec sample rates from anywhere between 8,000 to 96,000. But in Audition the only thing r5emotely resembling the sample rates settings is OPTIONS; SETTINGS; MULTITRACK; and then there is a track record section where I can set
16 bit or 32 bit mono and stereo. I don't see anywhere else to set it. I think I would want to set them both at 44,100.
 
1. Open AAudition,
2. Go to "File" and then click NEW SESSION!

You'll get all options you could possibly need!
 
oops

Oh yeah, I wasn't using my noggin. Well I guess that rules out sample rate error on my part then, because they are both set to 44,100.
 
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SOUND DIAGNOSIS said:
Sooooooooooo, what happened, dood???
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I did some more recording, but I haven't done anything taxing enough to see if it is still happening. It happens on things like recording 4 minutes continuously while also playing back a few tracks. Especially after I have done multiple takes. So far I have only done a few quick punch ins. I'll find out tonight though, Sat is recording night with my friends and I have some plans for intricate recording. We'll see. I haven't really changed anything other than using two HDD's for caching instead of 1, so I think it's going to be the same old shit. The sample rates are all matched up fine.

I have a trial edition of AA2 I might try using. It might be the whole ASIO vs WDM issue. I keep hearing how ASIO out performs WDM with regard to tracking while monitoring. And that's where the issues keep coming up. I still think it's just the AA1.5 software with WDM. What are you using?
 
Hi...
I can't say I 've ever had an issue with WDM....ever. :confused:
I'll stick with it.....still very happy with my Delta's and CEP2.1 combo. :)
And I still use way too many tracks for one instument too!!!!.... :D
Anyways, hope you've got it sorted(?).
Regards,
Superspit.
 
Same issue

I think next I'll search out the newest drivers for my Delta 1010. Maybe there's an issue there. :confused:
 
undrgrnd studio said:
I think next I'll search out the newest drivers for my Delta 1010. Maybe there's an issue there. :confused:
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sounds like a fine idea....
let us know how you get on!!
Superspit.
 
DL'd new drivers

superspit said:
sounds like a fine idea....
let us know how you get on!!
Superspit.
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1010 drivers were updated in 2006 for WDM. Well I loaded them and they removed my old drivers and supposedly installed the new drivers, but then my 1010 control panel was gone after restart. Win XP didn't see any new drivers and prompted me to install me new 1010 hardware. After removing drivers and trying again a few times I got the same results. SO I went backwards to a 2005 driver, which also didn't work. So this time I allowed Win XP to search for drivers on it's own and it installed one and my problems are exactly the same as always.

I tried to record a friends drums using 3 tracks on Sat, and it worked for the first 6 or so takes. But when we went further into the tracks, meaning he didn't screw up half way through then the software started glitching. Once it started, it happened every single time after that. He had to leave and we ran out of time, so we wasted 2 hours because of this shit.

I'm pissed. I went and got a AA 2.0 trial and I'm going to start using that, if it's up to par I'll buy it. IF not I'm dumping Audition all together.

Is anyone else here using AA1.5 and Delta 1010 on a Win XP machine?
 
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Hi
I've got a Delta 1010 i've been using with AA 2.0 for almost a year now. And i haven't had a single problem while recording.

And were talking 3 4 or even 5 hours of recording straight through without a glitch.
And i'm recording 10 tracks at a time.

Could the problem be VST plug ins. That's where mine starts to chock. If i start using to many plugins at once. Audition starts to skip jump and almost give birth.

I just bounce a track to a new track and then turn off the plugins on the first on.

My machine is a

Pentium 4 3GHZ
Intel GUX 950 MotherBoard
2 GIG of mem
1 - 160 GiG SATA HD
2 - 300 GIG SATA HD's
Delta 1010
 
undrgrnd studio said:
1010 drivers were updated in 2006 for WDM. Well I loaded them and they removed my old drivers and supposedly installed the new drivers, but then my 1010 control panel was gone after restart. Win XP didn't see any new drivers and prompted me to install me new 1010 hardware. After removing drivers and trying again a few times I got the same results. SO I went backwards to a 2005 driver, which also didn't work. So this time I allowed Win XP to search for drivers on it's own and it installed one and my problems are exactly the same as always.

I tried to record a friends drums using 3 tracks on Sat, and it worked for the first 6 or so takes. But when we went further into the tracks, meaning he didn't screw up half way through then the software started glitching. Once it started, it happened every single time after that. He had to leave and we ran out of time, so we wasted 2 hours because of this shit.

I'm pissed. I went and got a AA 2.0 trial and I'm going to start using that, if it's up to par I'll buy it. IF not I'm dumping Audition all together.

Is anyone else here using AA1.5 and Delta 1010 on a Win XP machine?
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This is my current issue with my AA2.0 Delta 410 setup.
I have gone everywhere for this issue and I've adjusted my pc for recording, made sure all the same rates are the same for software v. hardware, latency issues, IRQ problems etc. I've even tried other versions of Cool Edit Pro I still had laying around..

NOTHING.

And it's INCREDIBLY evident after 10 tracks or so while recording for long periods on a track...
 
You're having issues with AA 2.0?

Oh that's just great. I have a session tonight with a bunch of friends so I'll have time to really test AA 2.0 with my 1010. I did a short session last Tuesday, we tried doing the drum tracks that we failed to capture last Saturday, and it worked great actually. But then when I went for a punch in I noticed something strange, the track history was gone and there is no longer an option to merge the new punch with the main track. This is a completely stupid regression in the software. Now you have to literally bounce the new punch and original track to a new track, just to merge. In AA 1.5 it was one friggin click of the mouse. Whoever on the design team over there that decided this was a good thing is a moron. Also punch ins now lay on top of the old track instead of cutting out a new section within the track, which can be confusing because sometimes the old tracks come forward and you can't find your old punch track because it's hidden behind the others. Then if you have 10 punch in takes, you have to sift through them all to find the one that you wanted. It's a pain. On a good note though AA 2.0 now has an input level meter for each and every track instead of just Left and Right. Plus the track imputs npw show up as Mono inputs instead of L and R of a stereo track.

I'll let you gyus know if I still have glitch problems after a whole nighjt of recording. What should I use if I dump AA 2? Cubase?
 
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