adding "Track cues for CD"

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Hello,

I've been getting great work done with CE but it seems that I've encountered a "bump" on the learning curve.....several loose ends to tie up.

I have a 50 min wave file of a live recording. I've added "Track cues for CD" and I assumed this meant that when I burned to CD the cues would be recognised by the CD player...wrong.

Obviously I can cut and paste these tracks separately for CD but is there an easier way? Why doesn't "Track cues for CD" mean what it says?


Thanks,
Rusty K
 
Make sure when you add CUES you select the type of Cue as TRACK. This should put the CUE as a track Cue instead of just a basic.

Tukkis
 
Tukkis,

I double checked...they are Track cues. They are saved to the wave and I can cue to each track during playback with CE but they didn't burn to CD.
Of course when I'm composing the CD in Nero it still looks like one wavefile/track.

Thanks,
Rusty K
 
ozpeter,

You've come through again. Thank you!

I've printed and will check it out. I'm still running CE 2.0 so I'm assuming the method is the same.

I had no idea where to go in the help file to find an answer for this one.

Rusty K
 
Personally I always use CueListTool (excellent freeware program) for turning wave files into cd images (in effect) rather than the cue-merge-batch routine.
 
ozpeter,

I'll try to find "CueListTool".

Thanks,
Rusty K
 
Quick question, to use a cue list in a burner (eg Nero), is it a matter of manually using the information or can the burner import directly from the cue file?
Another Q, what use are Index cues? In the end, doesn't the burner create just tracks anyway? That is, for a live show, you want each song to have its own track as the CD player sees it, but play gappless from one to the next unless the user pushes the Next Track button. It would be cool if the burner treated it as one long track going in, but made tracks with start gaps of zero at the index points and all automatically from the cue list. Frankly, I'm confused as to what index points are for, and have not seen any book that explains - I'm missing something!
 
Jim Y,

Welcome to the club....Ha!

Yes Nero does not recognise the track cues however I have another wav editor that does recognise the track cues I added with Cool Edit.

Check out the links that ozpeter was kind enough to post.

I understand where you are coming from though....it would be nice if "Track cue for CD" meant exactly what it implies.

Rusty K
 
In Nero, you need to burn a "disc image or saved project" and the file type drop down box should be set to "Image Files (*.nrg, *.iso, *.cue). Nero then looks at the cue file and gets the wave file to use from that.

Index cues fulfil two functions. On some (not many these days) CD players, indexes within a recording are shown on their displays as subdivisions within a track. More often, they are used between tracks to provide a countdown into the next track. This is provided for in CueListTool where you can tell the program to treat any index less than (say) ten seconds before a track as a countdown index into that track. Any others are treated as indexes within their own track. I work with classical music and normally have major works six seconds apart - I place an index cue at the end of the first work, six seconds before the second work, and CueListTool creates the correct syntax in the cue sheet to make the countdown happen.

I hope that explains it....
 
ozpeter said:
In Nero, you need to burn a "disc image or saved project" and the file type drop down box should be set to "Image Files (*.nrg, *.iso, *.cue). Nero then looks at the cue file and gets the wave file to use from that.
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Ozpeter,

So this would supercede the methodology described in the link you provided earlier in this thread? If so, the "Track cue for CD" function in Cool Edit would be all that was needed.

Rusty K
 
Hmm, I think I was misreading your question - the answer I gave related to burning from a cue SHEET as generated by CueListTool. There is, I think, a facility within Nero to pick up cues in a file but I'll need to refresh my memory before creating even further muddle!
 
Here's what I was thinking of in connection with Nero - comes from "Zemlin" on another forum -

"I create a WAV file for a CD (or CD set) as a single WAV file with tracks gapped and faded the way I want all in edit view. I mark each song with cues (highlight start-to-finish and press F8 ).

When I load that one big file into NERO, I right click on the file and go to Properties. I select the "Indexes, Limits, Split" tab and then poke the "Split at index points" button. That will insert a SPLIT at each cue marker. Ta-Da - all my songs are separated.

At that point I go into the track list and type in titles for all the songs. Keeps things simple - I only have 1 WAV file for a CD or even a few CDs (after splitting you can delete the songs you don't want burned from the layout). You can also drag and drop them to reorder things however you like.

I still have to select all but the first track and set the gap time to ZERO. You can select all the tracks at the same time and get them all in one step, so not a big deal as long as you remember."

You might care to experiment a bit along those lines.
 
ozpeter,

Yes, this sounds like we're getting there. I apologize for not knowing more about Nero but I've always just opened the burn program and dragged my tracks over one by one. This is the first time this situation has come up.
I will experiment with it.

Thanks so much.
Rusty K
 
Heck! I never even heard of this Countdown thing. I'll chew on it - thanks for the info OzPeter.
Seems there's a few things with CDDA that could be cool but not taken up or understood. CDtext is a bugbear for me - I think it's a great idea but there is so little support. It's Sonys baby, but even their low to mid priced Hi-Fi seperates don't support it. It seems to me the "market" expects all players to eventually have a Net connection and use a CD database. I don't like that future, and it implies we are all Consumers and not Creators.

I don't see what's so hard about putting the info in the disk, but Windows Media Player does not support CDText to begin with. (BTW, Plextor have Text enabled CD player app, but I haven't tried yet to see if it works with any make of drive) - I don't like the Nero Media Player, although it does read Text. Unfortunately, it enforces a gap between tracks even when these are zero, but at least you can pick the output device for it.
Oh, dear, I've gone a bit OT, sorry!
 
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