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VSpaceBoy said:
can you google? do it, it's all there...
can you google? do it, it's all there...
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VSpaceBoy said:Linux is an operating system like Windows. Its Extremly stable but takes some elbow grease to get it to work with all your hardware and software. It's also open source code meaning one could change the code and re-right the software as they please. The reason is hasn't taken over is because its not as "plug in play" as Windows. Once it tries to do that.. it will most likely become unstable to a degree.
The irony in Linux is that people use it and cuss windows, yet they strive to make Linux just like it Windows.
SpaceBoy
linux is a resorce hog "at the moment" it is stable, very, software makers don't offer the appl in the amount offered for windblows, "yet" mandrake 9 kicks XP's ass IMHO, but most ppl don't know how to use the command line, when they config it into a typical windows dir line linux will surely beat microsuck into dust...imho...
there fighting over it right now, SOC code used by IBM crap, it will rule the web for a period, when code greedy corps get hacked or ppl get tired of MS crap, i was sick of M$ from 98 on, 2k was ok but an OS should not be as screwed up as they are, thanks M$...
it's all money and i'm sick to death of it as you can tell from my bashing, i deal with 5 to 10 ppl a month/week at times with the system32 corrupt or missing issue among other great M$ crappy issues..
humm, antacid time, outta here...
peace...
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Well I supposed everything your reading is from people who read and learned from Windows books.Fusion2 said:
I am speaking from hard honest experience. I appear on the surface as a guitar slinging- home recording- borderline alcoholic, but I am speaking from over 15 years experience in the computer field, a BS from UCF in Software Devlpmt/Computer Engineering, 5 years at Dell computers, selfemployed Networking-Consultant Contractor. I have benchtested personnally everything I am preaching.
I'm just trying to share what I've found, you don't have to trust or believe me. Try it for yourself!!
SpaceBoy
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Fusion2 said:
I agree 100%
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Again I agree.
Microsofts goal is to make Windows try and guess what ppl who don't understand computers are thinking and trying to do. Very hard to do, but that is why Windows is now stock on pretty much any end user pc. People who need it think its fine, people who dont think it sucks. Exactly opposite for Linux.
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I feel ya!
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Sorry guys,
You guys seems to have waaay more knowledge than me about Microstuff and all 'puters stuff, good, I can read posts I dont really understand.
makes me feel gooood 
but, I can comment here:
(pretty sure I didnt saw the sentence in the way you wrote it but...)
Spaceboy wrote
My awnser is: Absolutely. Well to me! Ok, obviously. if the drive crashed, burned, died...is in jail, etc. I cant do nothing with the data than were on it. If your "data more secure" is only about those events, of course I 100% agree.
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Ok guys, the next sentences may not involve you in ANY way, or it can, cuz it's what is going on with me! I hope you'll understand with this damn english. (I should try to learn other "wrong words than"damn")
here is the situation:
zone hertz (yep, this is my home studio) sometime rent all the studio for other tech. I simply dont want them to screw all the other projects that are already in work on this PC. So, I have a partition, witch I hide, where nobody who rent the studio know it exist. You know what? makes me feel wayyyyy better. Dont tell me "you can do the same thing with a simple folder!" I know. But this simple folder can be loose if the guy who is working on the PC, for a reason or an other FORMAT the partition.
So, YES, for me, it's very, very usefull, and I feel way nore secure this way.
There is maybe better solutions, dunno. But a simple password witch protect a folder or a partition dont make me feel safe enough.
Comments/suggestions/insults are welcomes!!
Fred
You guys seems to have waaay more knowledge than me about Microstuff and all 'puters stuff, good, I can read posts I dont really understand.
makes me feel gooood but, I can comment here:
(pretty sure I didnt saw the sentence in the way you wrote it but...)
Spaceboy wrote
My awnser is: Absolutely. Well to me! Ok, obviously. if the drive crashed, burned, died...is in jail, etc. I cant do nothing with the data than were on it. If your "data more secure" is only about those events, of course I 100% agree.
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Ok guys, the next sentences may not involve you in ANY way, or it can, cuz it's what is going on with me! I hope you'll understand with this damn english. (I should try to learn other "wrong words than"damn")
here is the situation:
zone hertz (yep, this is my home studio) sometime rent all the studio for other tech. I simply dont want them to screw all the other projects that are already in work on this PC. So, I have a partition, witch I hide, where nobody who rent the studio know it exist. You know what? makes me feel wayyyyy better. Dont tell me "you can do the same thing with a simple folder!" I know. But this simple folder can be loose if the guy who is working on the PC, for a reason or an other FORMAT the partition.
So, YES, for me, it's very, very usefull, and I feel way nore secure this way.
There is maybe better solutions, dunno. But a simple password witch protect a folder or a partition dont make me feel safe enough.
Comments/suggestions/insults are welcomes!!
Fred
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It's all good Fred, there are 100 ways to do the same thing. Not that one is better or worse than the others just different.
A partition is a good way to keep clean and so forth. I was only trying to point out that it doesnt effect speed and security.
What your describing sounds like a good use for a partition. Yes you could do the same thing with a folder. In the situation you described, if that were on the main partition it couldn't be reformated with your OS on there.<well in windows> You could also set attributes to folders so they cannot be deleted. But its kinda like an alarm system on a house, if somebody wants in, their gonna get in.
A more secure way would be what someone suggested before, have two drives and ghost a backup one each one.
Quit teasing about yourself, your alot smarter than you give yourself credit for.
SpaceBoy
A partition is a good way to keep clean and so forth. I was only trying to point out that it doesnt effect speed and security.
What your describing sounds like a good use for a partition. Yes you could do the same thing with a folder. In the situation you described, if that were on the main partition it couldn't be reformated with your OS on there.<well in windows> You could also set attributes to folders so they cannot be deleted. But its kinda like an alarm system on a house, if somebody wants in, their gonna get in.
A more secure way would be what someone suggested before, have two drives and ghost a backup one each one.
Quit teasing about yourself, your alot smarter than you give yourself credit for.
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Thx dude...
But I feel more secure when other people READ and KNOW that what I'm writing MAY be wrong. I think I know Cubase pretty well, I think I know enough to make my computer work fine, but I also know there is probabely 1000 times more things, in the same box that I dont know, and I'll be glad to know and understand all this.
I have to admit that the fact that everyting here is in english is hard to me, that something witch is kind of "special" is going on with me since August 6 and will for a few months (so I'll probabely learn alot here) Blue Bear Sound may remember what I'm talking about. If someone wanna know what is going on, dont be shy to ask, it alway a bit help my moral situation to explain it. But anybody have nothing to do with this here, or anywhere else, exept my friends/family/girlfriend.
Anyway, thx for your comment/suggestion, I simply want to learn, I think everyone can help everyone.
This next sentence shouldn't be wrote and read, YES I WIIL LOOK STOOPID
but many guys here make me learn many things, many are "kind of virtual friends". I mush look like a damn sucker..I can beleive I'm writing all this.
Anyway thanx too many people here.
yes...again, I feel stupid right now. uh..maybe an important point for me to mention, to be sure it's not what you think!:
no, I'm not a socialy hated/rejected guy
Sorry for this post, it as nothing to do with the thread subject. Very sorry. maybe I should write something pertinent.
Adding a hard drive: no thx, I'm ok with 2.
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once again...should I click the "submit reply"
or not. I will. Nobody will care about this, but I already
feel a bit better.
But I feel more secure when other people READ and KNOW that what I'm writing MAY be wrong. I think I know Cubase pretty well, I think I know enough to make my computer work fine, but I also know there is probabely 1000 times more things, in the same box that I dont know, and I'll be glad to know and understand all this.
I have to admit that the fact that everyting here is in english is hard to me, that something witch is kind of "special" is going on with me since August 6 and will for a few months (so I'll probabely learn alot here
) Blue Bear Sound may remember what I'm talking about. If someone wanna know what is going on, dont be shy to ask, it alway a bit help my moral situation to explain it. But anybody have nothing to do with this here, or anywhere else, exept my friends/family/girlfriend.Anyway, thx for your comment/suggestion, I simply want to learn, I think everyone can help everyone.
This next sentence shouldn't be wrote and read, YES I WIIL LOOK STOOPID
but many guys here make me learn many things, many are "kind of virtual friends". I mush look like a damn sucker..I can beleive I'm writing all this.
Anyway thanx too many people here.
yes...again, I feel stupid right now. uh..maybe an important point for me to mention, to be sure it's not what you think!:
no, I'm not a socialy hated/rejected guy
Sorry for this post, it as nothing to do with the thread subject. Very sorry. maybe I should write something pertinent.
Adding a hard drive: no thx, I'm ok with 2.
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once again...should I click the "submit reply"
or not. I will. Nobody will care about this, but I already
feel a bit better.
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Kryogh
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Is there a way I can delete my previous reply on this thread?
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Re: Thx dude...
See you're ahead of me on this one, I'm still fumbling my way through the learning curve!!
Have fun!!
SpaceBoy
Kryogh said:
See you're ahead of me on this one, I'm still fumbling my way through the learning curve!!
Have fun!!
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Kryogh said:
edit, bottom right...
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I know but...
The administrator has specified that you can only edit messages for 727 minutes after you have posted. This limit has expired, so you must contact the administrator to make alterations on your message.
I sent a message to the admin.
The administrator has specified that you can only edit messages for 727 minutes after you have posted. This limit has expired, so you must contact the administrator to make alterations on your message.
I sent a message to the admin.
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In my opinion VSpaceBoy made some quite questionable statements in this thread.
1. People make partitions only for keeping it neat? Wrong.
When you use special software to create a partition larger than Windows can see by default, you are putting a small service file on the boot sector of the drive. If this file gets corruputed, Windows will see your drive as unformated, and everything on that drive will be lost. It is wiser to stay within limits of Fdisk, and if you need to divide the drive into several 32 gig partitions, so be it. Why would it get corrupted, you may ask? Numerous reasons:bad sectors, viruses etc. etc. So, you've been warned.
2. Swap file. Memory management is the most vital and difficult task of the OS. The optimum size and usage of virtual memory depends on what you are doing and how many programs (virtual machines) you are running at the same time. What may work for you, may not work for other guys. Some software and games are designed to make use of virtual memory. Try editing some real big graphic or movie file without a swap file and see what happens.
3. Linux. Yes it is stable, and cheap (if not free). It hasn't taken over not because it lacks plug-n-pray. It does have it, and it gets improved every day. Probelm with Linux is that it lacks applications. I built a Linux box, struggled through the command line to set all the hardware, networking and the Internet. Now it is collecting dust. I don't need to run an Apache server, office applications or anything like that. What I need is to run Nuendo, Wavelab, pluins and VSTis through Delta sound card. I can't do it under Linux, and it does not offer me any viable alternative.
1. People make partitions only for keeping it neat? Wrong.
When you use special software to create a partition larger than Windows can see by default, you are putting a small service file on the boot sector of the drive. If this file gets corruputed, Windows will see your drive as unformated, and everything on that drive will be lost. It is wiser to stay within limits of Fdisk, and if you need to divide the drive into several 32 gig partitions, so be it. Why would it get corrupted, you may ask? Numerous reasons:bad sectors, viruses etc. etc. So, you've been warned.
2. Swap file. Memory management is the most vital and difficult task of the OS. The optimum size and usage of virtual memory depends on what you are doing and how many programs (virtual machines) you are running at the same time. What may work for you, may not work for other guys. Some software and games are designed to make use of virtual memory. Try editing some real big graphic or movie file without a swap file and see what happens.
3. Linux. Yes it is stable, and cheap (if not free). It hasn't taken over not because it lacks plug-n-pray. It does have it, and it gets improved every day. Probelm with Linux is that it lacks applications. I built a Linux box, struggled through the command line to set all the hardware, networking and the Internet. Now it is collecting dust. I don't need to run an Apache server, office applications or anything like that. What I need is to run Nuendo, Wavelab, pluins and VSTis through Delta sound card. I can't do it under Linux, and it does not offer me any viable alternative.
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Maybe someone can awnser this.
When you make partitions while installing Windows, there is alway a 8 megs kept away.
Webstop, is this what your talking about in your 1st section?
When you make partitions while installing Windows, there is alway a 8 megs kept away.
Webstop, is this what your talking about in your 1st section?
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webstop
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Not really.
When you use fdisk or Windows to format a drive it asks you, if you want to set the size of a partition yourself, or you want to allocate all available space. Maximum partition size depends on several factors, like BIOS version, drive characteristics and file system that you use (Fat16, FAT32, NTFS). Typical example: with FAT32 file system Windows will not be able to format a partition larger than 32 gigs. So, if your drive is 40 gigs, and you do not create the second partition, that extra 8 gigs will be sort of lost.
What I was talking about is that big drives usually offer to use their proprietary software, which would allow you to overcome the standard Windows limit. This is done by putting a small driver on the boot sector. The purpose of this drive is to translate all extra sectors of the partition into the format, undertandable by Windows. If this little driver is gone, Windows can not understand the allocation table and considers the drive unformated. I've had that happen.
When you use fdisk or Windows to format a drive it asks you, if you want to set the size of a partition yourself, or you want to allocate all available space. Maximum partition size depends on several factors, like BIOS version, drive characteristics and file system that you use (Fat16, FAT32, NTFS). Typical example: with FAT32 file system Windows will not be able to format a partition larger than 32 gigs. So, if your drive is 40 gigs, and you do not create the second partition, that extra 8 gigs will be sort of lost.
What I was talking about is that big drives usually offer to use their proprietary software, which would allow you to overcome the standard Windows limit. This is done by putting a small driver on the boot sector. The purpose of this drive is to translate all extra sectors of the partition into the format, undertandable by Windows. If this little driver is gone, Windows can not understand the allocation table and considers the drive unformated. I've had that happen.
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webstop said:
That does make sense to a degree, not bad sectors but a virus could toast it purposly. The liklyhood of bad sectors ruining an mbr is slim to non. To me, I would rather ghost a drive to a cd then run 1 gig partitions. Although I think most ppl nowadays are using NTFS instead of FAT32 so its pointless to argue. Your argument is very thin.
Well I run Adobe Premier 6.5 with I would say 1-2 gig parts at minimum, what would you suggest I run to really test it?webstop said:
Most programs will warn you if they are looking for VM, then give you the choice. Like I said before, I have been using for awhile without problem and I am VERY demanding on this PC. You know, its not that big of deal, all that will happen if you do run out of physical memory is the pc will lock up. And in case you havn't been using Windows for awhile, that can happen anyways.
You should try it without swapfile for a bit, what do you have to loose? Really!?
webstop said:
No sense in arguing this one. I agree, Linux has come along way. It's still not as plug n play as windows nor as user friendly. I am pro Linux, but still use Windows exclusivly on end user machines. Linux IS without a doubt, perfect for servers.
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Webstop,
Yep, I know all this. What I was talking about is, every time I partioned a HD while installing windows, C:\ D:\ E:\ etc., there was always a separate 8 megs that wasnt included in any partitions. uh..I didnt make this for a while so maybe this 8megs is just on C:\ :|
In fact, I think even if you dont make any partitions, windows will keep a separate 8 megs. What is he doing with this?
Yep, I know all this. What I was talking about is, every time I partioned a HD while installing windows, C:\ D:\ E:\ etc., there was always a separate 8 megs that wasnt included in any partitions. uh..I didnt make this for a while so maybe this 8megs is just on C:\ :|
In fact, I think even if you dont make any partitions, windows will keep a separate 8 megs. What is he doing with this?
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Sorry, I misread you post, I though you were talking about 8 gigs.
Yes, it may be a small boot partition located within the first cylinders of the hard disk, which is at least 8 MB or 1 cylinder.
Yes, it may be a small boot partition located within the first cylinders of the hard disk, which is at least 8 MB or 1 cylinder.
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VSpaceBoy said:
You'd be amazed how many people are still on 98 or ME. BTW, I run 2000 and FAT32 my system of choice, because it allows me to take any data drive and stick it into other people's machines with no problems.
I don't want to press my opinion on anybody, but on using extra large partition I speak from my own experience. It did happen, and I don't even know how. It was not a virus, because this box is not networked in any way. Windows 2000 crashed and then would not reboot - partition not formated, good bye data. Fortunately I had everything important backed up, but it was not a pleasant experience.
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similar thing here
recently. I wasnt home for about a month, so my PC was closed and havent been used all this time, yes, of course I alway unplug the internet cable connexion when I'm not here, even if I'm thru a router, and when I came back, I opened windows, and it crashed like 5 min later. Reboot. not way, blue screen, nothing to do. So I simply said, ok, I'll reinstall XP and it will be fine... no way. My CD and DVD players didnt even send the entire data where they should. Why? still dont really know. I tried a lot of thing, een format the C: in FAT32 with the Win98se CD..it worked. Ok, next step, Install WinXP. No way. Ya know when it ask about RAID etc, blue screen. nothing to do. Samething with win 2k.
I closed all this, brought the PC where I'm a good customer, and they didnt understand what was going on. So, they simply opened it, get everything out, "wash" each peice 1 by 1, put them back, and YEY! everything work fine.
So all this to say, good by data, but welcome all my partitions! Only what was on C: was lost, witch is windows and installed softs.
Everything can be mentioned here, I dont think it will make me change about the way my HDs are partitioned.
recently. I wasnt home for about a month, so my PC was closed and havent been used all this time, yes, of course I alway unplug the internet cable connexion when I'm not here, even if I'm thru a router, and when I came back, I opened windows, and it crashed like 5 min later. Reboot. not way, blue screen, nothing to do. So I simply said, ok, I'll reinstall XP and it will be fine... no way. My CD and DVD players didnt even send the entire data where they should. Why? still dont really know. I tried a lot of thing, een format the C: in FAT32 with the Win98se CD..it worked. Ok, next step, Install WinXP. No way. Ya know when it ask about RAID etc, blue screen. nothing to do. Samething with win 2k.
I closed all this, brought the PC where I'm a good customer, and they didnt understand what was going on. So, they simply opened it, get everything out, "wash" each peice 1 by 1, put them back, and YEY! everything work fine.
So all this to say, good by data, but welcome all my partitions! Only what was on C: was lost, witch is windows and installed softs.
Everything can be mentioned here, I dont think it will make me change about the way my HDs are partitioned.
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There is a terrific program called BootItNG from www.terabyteunlimited.com. It can solve a world of drive/partition problems in a flash. Also very easy to set up multi-boot environements on 1 or 2 drivers.
By having a second bootable partition, you virtually always can boot and see your existing data from a partition that no longer boots.
My PC is setup to boot about 11 different versions of windows from different drives/partitions. Very powerful setup and can be a life saver then main system quits booting.
Ed
By having a second bootable partition, you virtually always can boot and see your existing data from a partition that no longer boots.
My PC is setup to boot about 11 different versions of windows from different drives/partitions. Very powerful setup and can be a life saver then main system quits booting.
Ed