adding a hard drive

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Thanks everyone again for your input! I am going to go for it, it really does not seem all that diffucult, if all else fails i will put it in the shop and have it done, but I came this far on my own and with the help of this board , so I think I can, I know I can, I will DAMN IT!!!!!!
 
Dont fret, will be a good experience. Feel free to ask if you run into any snags.

SpaceBoy
 
I forgot an important point.

if you look on my precedent reply you can see, I make 2 OS (XP) on 2 10 gigs partitions. This way, if your in session, and for X reason, your sequencer, or X software your actually using go wrong, or develop any problems, all I have to do is reboot in the other OS and continue the session. I still have another solution, I keep my Ghosts backup of both OS up to date. I have some on CDs, and some on my F:/ partition.

This is the principal reason why I'm doing this.

I really dont see partitions has something complicated! It's clean, clear, secure, each one do what it should.

Of course, if you split only 1 drive in 12 partitions, it may not be very usefull, but, 2 partitions, 1 for your OS and softwares, 1 for everything else can avoid a lot of serious problems.

I went thru all this so... if someone want to make me feel wrong about what I'm saying, try it, it's not impossible, we will see! I'm not god, but, damn, I went thru rough stuff with audio/computers. I can REALLY confirm you that since my Pro Recording Ensoniq Soundscape Elite Win95 FULL DUPLEX! (wow!!) I learned a lot of stuff. I still have a lot to learn, please dont take this last sentence in a negative way, I'm certainely not a Professionnal, I'm a home recording guy. I know it.

see ya! :)
 
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VSpaceBoy said:
I said before... ppl just do it for cleanliness. If you have a "melt down" a partition is not going to save anything. If the hard drive goes, then it takes every partition with it. What else could you be referring to as melt down?? If a program goes south, uninstall it through Windows and reinstall it. Drive partition is not affected. People say they like to have one drive for OS, another for swapfile, one for this, one for that. I have lived it all, done it every which way, and can tell you there is no good reason!! PPl think Windows is better on its own. WRONG.
SpaceBoy
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I think what Fusion was getting at is if you have 2 drives and you partition each one so that your C partition on drive 1 is the same size as say your E partition on drive 2, then you can use Ghost to backup your C partition to your E partition. If your first drive fries, you whip it out and boot off drive 2 without having to reinstall everything.
I learnt my lesson the hard way (lost the lot - took me 3 weeks to rebuild my machine).
This is what I do and Ghost has already saved my life once
 
Re: I forgot an important point.

Kryogh said:
....if you look on my precedent reply you can see, I make 2 OS (XP) on 2 10 gigs partitions. This way, if your in session, and for X reason, your sequencer, or X software your actually using go wrong, or develop any problems, all I have to do is reboot in the other OS and continue the session. I still have another solution, I keep my Ghosts backup of both OS up to date. I have some on CDs, and some on my F:/ partition.....

see ya! :)
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The first reason is a damn good reason to have another partition. OS's like running alone on a partition.
The ghosted image also is nessasary to keep on a different partition. A burn would always be the first choice though.
So you have made some very good points. There are times when it is good/nessesary.

It's sounding like I'm bashing ppl who partition their drives, I'm not. I'm just saying its not going to make any difference most of the time. Kryogh had a some good reasons, but most everything else is just wasting time and effort into false hopes of stability and speed. I will still need lots of convincing why anyone would need 10 partitions.

Keep it simple.
Kryogh, you still <like you said> only have 2 partitions. WHY? Because your situation called for it. You didn't rip out 'till drive letter W:.

SpaceBoy
 
Spaceboy, thx, for the comments...

Dont want to bother you... but as I wrote before, I actually have 6 partitions.

3 on the 40 gigs, 2 on the 80 gigs. Each of them have a good reason to be there. You can see this as your dressers, you dont necessairely put your winter coats in the same dresser than you t-shirt..right? And your sox are in the same night table as your boxers, but, in another drawer...right? anyway my example suck, and you must think -Kryogh is a stupid guy.

So, here is a simple example, a one I'm sure you will agree. You already know it. You can't create/save your Ghost files in the same HD than the one your archiving. If feel idiot to write this, but, hey, it's a fact!

So for many logical reason, for me, I need all these partitions. Dont need more, everything is ok. uh...yep I still think I need more, but it's an external HD to backup the audio files when I dont work on them with the customer for a few days/week/months. I actually burn all this on CDs when this appen.

Dude, do you realize that I took an english/french dictionnary to write the night table/drawer/drawer thing?? lol

hum..hum...

hu..see ya

Fred :)
 
I remark since your running with the thread.
Kryogh said:

....You can't create/save your Ghost files in the same HD than the one your archiving. If feel idiot to write this, but, hey, it's a fact!
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The ghosting is intended to backup the drive against failure. The intention is to copy the image to a CD or backup hard drive. It kind of defeats the purpose to back up on the same drive.
Kryogh said:

..3 on the 40 gigs, 2 on the 80 gigs. Each of them have a good reason to be there. You can see this as your dressers, you dont necessairely put your winter coats in the same dresser than you t-shirt..right? And your sox are in the same night table as your boxers, but, in another drawer...right?
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Again.. cleanliness. You don't NEED to keep your winter coats in a different drawer than your t-shirts, you want to for cleanliness and orginization. Like I said before, a partition for most reasons is the same for all intents and purposes as a folder in windows.
Kryogh said:

my example suck, and you must think -Kryogh is a stupid guy
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Not at all, you make good points. I keep things in my computer seperated also.

SpaceBoy
 
VSpaceBoy said:
I said before... ppl just do it for cleanliness. If you have a "melt down" a partition is not going to save anything. If the hard drive goes, then it takes every partition with it. What else could you be referring to as melt down??

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microsuck nukes itself of course, when a drive dies it dead most here know that...
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If a program goes south, uninstall it through Windows and reinstall it. Drive partition is not affected. People say they like to have one drive for OS, another for swapfile, one for this, one for that. I have lived it all, done it every which way, and can tell you there is no good reason!! PPl think Windows is better on its own. WRONG.

That wouldn't work. You would have to reinstall most software anyways.

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have your ever backed up your reg? no program reinstall, just reinstall the reg, or ghost, whichever....
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But regardless, you don't need another partition for that at all.

The main use for swap file on its own is if you get low on gigs on the drive, performance wont suffer as much.

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funny, i thought the swap was microsuck using disc space for memory when you run low on "memory, not low disc space.... humm, silly me...
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But Windows comes configured to grab what it can and where. Most ppl dont even mess with that cfg. And for your info as well, swap file SUCKS and is slow!!! Check the numbers on transfer rates from your hard drive vrs your RAM. Why would you want to waste your speed and hard drive space on swapfile when RAM is SOO cheap and SOOO much faster??!! I have had swapfile DISABLED for over FOUR YEARS and it would knock you on the floor to see the diff in speed.

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downing 24 tracks back and forth is why i keep my swap, you?
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My point with all this babbling is, unless you have an extra hard drive DETICATED to backing up, then it is all just glorified cleanliness. Partitions are NO DIFFERENT than folders in Windows. It wont make anything more or less stable, faster or slower going either way.<excect for my swap file reply>

motto of the day - KEEP IT SIMPLE! :)

Kryogh - I agree, I use FDisk too when I need it but the main reason for using Partition Magic is it runs in Windows. Nice GUI compared to DOS.-

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i just reformat a partition using the XP disc, no fdisk needed...123 simple easy
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SpaceBoy
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the bastard server tried again, damn, i pulled a slackmaster this time and backed up before attempting to preview the post....

damn hr fourm soft config, you don't need to hold microsucks hand any more, as much as they'd like you to, sorry billy, your history, LINUX will rule the world one day soon, unless big biz kills it off, which is possible in the US anyway... excuse the OT...

peace, outta here again....
 
i wish i was that simple, but it's not thanks to microfuk, but, it's not hard to deal with either, dealing with "large amounts of data" is never really a simple task where audio is involved, including the program itself, which tend to be large, ie: stienberg, cakewalk, etc...

being simple isn't being safe in my book, being critical is being safe, i'm no recording tech but i value my tracks highly, when i happen to make a good one, yes, i back up weekly, when i work and keep new data...

if your into music the way i am you owe it to yourself to protect your music, it may be worth nothing but then again it may be a few bucks, maybe big, it's a gamble, yeah, but you don't need to gamble with microsuck and there infinite flaws as of to date, can't keep count...

simple is not "pro" it would be nice if M$ could make it simple, but they don't, or won't, (serviced) and don't look for it in longhorn either, if we're lucky enought to even play music on the OS, (DRM)

search my old post if you need drive setup info, they, along with the other post are a pretty good reference as to setting up your drives for pro work and safe data...

ps, yeah, i got you covered mr.crapppy fourm soft, this time anyway...
 
adding harddrive

So what is this ghost back-up partition? I notice this on my system is this part of windows back-up? do you really need it?


Thanks
 
Norton Ghost is a program that does a bit by bit image copy of a hard drive or a partition to another hard drive or partition. You can use it on a new drive without having to format the drive first.

It will let you compress the image copy if desired. It copies the partition into a single file and you get an 'explorer' type gui to browse the file if you need to.

If you have two hard drives, it pays to partition each of them so you can backup a partition on one drive to a partition on the other. The partition you back up contain the stuff you can't afford to lose. It's up to you how big you make the partitions.

Like I say, Ghost has already saved my life once. I can't recommend it highly eough
 
I'll second Bulls Hit. Norton Ghost saved my life a few times.

In fact, I always keep a Ghost of my "virgin" OS, and a Ghost of my entire OS/softwares I usually use.

The "virgin" one is used when many softwares have to be uninstall or changed or...ya know.

I'll resume, I keep my Ghosts up to date!
 
here's a tip, install your large programs on any partition than C with winblows, now go to run on the start menu and type regedit and click, go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER and open the tree, go to software and open it, find your favorite programs and right click them, (Just Hightlight them) now go to "file" on the tool bar and select "export" name the file accordingly, (programs) and store on any partition other then C again...

i only leave appl that i can stand to loose with microfluff on C,
it ain't brain surgery, till you hose your system :) whodathunkit...
 
Oh, ok nice. Thx, I'll copy your last post, and I'll check this out soon :)

Thx!
 
Fusion2 said:
funny, i thought the swap was microsuck using disc space for memory when you run low on "memory, not low disc space.... humm, silly me...
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Sorry but yes, silly you.
Windows HOGS all of your physical memory and ONLY allows programs to use swapfile. Not as a fail safe like you may think. Microsoft wants ppl to think how much faster it is than everything else!!

Fusion2 said:
downing 24 tracks back and forth is why i keep my swap, you?
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I have songs with more, no swap file, much faster. :)

Fusion2 said:
i just reformat a partition using the XP disc, no fdisk needed...123 simple easy
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Thats is simple, and would work easy for a new drive. Partition Magic is also good and can allow partition changes to the drive that Windows is on unlike XP disc.
Fusion2 said:
being simple isn't being safe in my book, being critical is being safe, i'm no recording tech but i value my tracks highly, when i happen to make a good one, yes, i back up weekly, when i work and keep new data...
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I agree about being safe!
Backing up your reg, ghosting your drive.. ALL things I would HIGHLY recommend to EVERYONE!!




But what does that have to do with a partition or RAM?



SpaceBoy


ps. Linux Rocks, but the day it gets as user friendly as Windows is the day it will rule the day.
 
space, your smoking the good shit right? read up son, nice try though...
 
I never saw Linux, I've always been with Windowz, since 3.5...but, what about Lindows??

Anybody?
 
VSpaceBoy said:
Sorry but yes, silly you.
Windows HOGS all of your physical memory and ONLY allows programs to use swapfile. Not as a fail safe like you may think. Microsoft wants ppl to think how much faster it is than everything else!!

i'm more worried about "my data" than microsuck, and it's "memory" not disc space...


I have songs with more, no swap file, much faster. :)

your a fool then...


Thats is simple, and would work easy for a new drive. Partition Magic is also good and can allow partition changes to the drive that Windows is on unlike XP disc.

your the one who keep's it simple yes? don't partition? humm... dude, get real, now your switching partitions around, drugs are bad space...

I agree about being safe!
Backing up your reg, ghosting your drive.. ALL things I would HIGHLY recommend to EVERYONE!!

But what does that have to do with a partition or RAM?

nothing, so why bring it up, less you troll there, i believe so...


SpaceBoy

space trol maybe...


ps. Linux Rocks, but the day it gets as user friendly as Windows is the day it will rule the day.
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you got one right at least, just dump the comand line and it's there...
 
"your a fool then..."

Why??

"i'm more worried about "my data" than microsuck, and it's "memory" not disc space..."

Yea...?


What is the discusion about?

I'm not sure what your talking about.

This thread got going when I said you don't need to partition. All the things you are arguing still have nothing to do with partitioning. Not memory, disk space or anything. A partition is just a windows folder with a letter and a :

Help me understand what your saying?? Are you suggesting that having extra partitions makes your data more secure?? Or swapfile protects your files?

TrollBoy
 
Kryogh said:
I never saw Linux, I've always been with Windowz, since 3.5...but, what about Lindows??

Anybody?
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Linux is an operating system like Windows. Its Extremly stable but takes some elbow grease to get it to work with all your hardware and software. It's also open source code meaning one could change the code and re-right the software as they please. The reason is hasn't taken over is because its not as "plug in play" as Windows. Once it tries to do that.. it will most likely become unstable to a degree.

The irony in Linux is that people use it and cuss windows, yet they strive to make Linux just like it Windows. :)

SpaceBoy
 
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