Acid user looking for a Midi Editor.

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So far, I'm making completely sample based music. I'd like to try my hand at Midi programming but:

1. I don't have a controller
2. I want it to be very graphically intuitive like Acid.

I found this app which has the kind of GUI I have in mind, but it appears a little too basic. http://www.musicmasterworks.com/MMScShot.gif I don't think it can even control things such as velocity parameters.

Does anyone know of a powerful Midi editor with and "Acid like" graphical interface for a non-keyboardist?

Thanks!
barefoot
 
Btw, my conceptual idea of an "Acid like" interface would look a bit like the picture I've attached. Parameter like velocity, aftertouch, pitch bend and such would be controlled with "envelopes" associated with each "event".

Please tell me such a thing already exists.:)

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Most midi programs have pretty cool interfaces these days. Check out Sonar. Logic is very powerfull but a lot harder to learn. I'm not familliar with any cheaper simpler programs.

You might try FruityLoops. I believe you can load it up with your samples and trigger it with a drum machine type interface.
 
That's it!!

TexRoadkill said:
You might try FruityLoops. I believe you can load it up with your samples and trigger it with a drum machine type interface.
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Tex, that's what I was getting at the other day on the "recording techniques" board... I want to use the sounds of the MIDI voices in my sound card in a FruityLoops-ish sort of drum machine interface (Drums! 2.0). Drums! won't access MIDI voices.
I do have a controller on my PC, so I can play the voices. What I really want to do is them get the MIDI voice signal (not the data, the signal that goes to the speakers) to go into my PC recording software. That way I can print sounds/chords etc. to .wav files so I could then use them. It won't be as functional as "true" MIDI, but I get some more sounds to play with (without still more software).

Does this make more sense (than my other posts)? I get the impression that this will not be possible without sending a line from my analog out to my analog in, thus getting all the D/A>A/D loss... do I *have* to get a MIDI sequencer/editor?
 
You can intercept the signal in windows without going thru the audio outs. If you have the windows mixer installed you can select to record "What you hear" That is a usefull setting for recording anything that is playing on your comp.

I have not tried that for recording internal midi sounds though.

There are some cheap virtual keyboard programs so you can use a visual keyboard or your computer typing keyboard to trigger the midi notes.
 
Tex,

Sonar really looks like it might do the trick. Problem is, it doesn't run on NT. I usually try and demo things on my computer at work because I have a T3 connection here. Really fast downloads, but no way of getting it onto my DAW at home since they don't give us CD-R's (they think we'll steal their precious trade secrets).

Anyhow, guess I'll have to let my home PC run overnight to download the demo.

Thanks!
barefoot
 
Why are you running NT? That is probably the worst OS for audio/visual work nowadays. I have yet to feel confident about leaving 98SE. It seems to be the only OS guaranteed to work on all hardware/software/porn/games.

Sonar should be pretty cool. I used to use Cakewalk and it had some great visual editors. It works great for people on acid too ;)
 
NT is just on my computer at work, not my DAW. I usually try things out at work first in order to see if it's worth the very long download time at home - but only on my lunch break of course.;)

barefoot
 
Yes! Yes! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

TexRoadkill said:
You can intercept the signal in windows without going thru the audio outs. If you have the windows mixer installed you can select to record "What you hear" That is a usefull setting for recording anything that is playing on your comp.

I have not tried that for recording internal midi sounds though.
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It works!

Using the SB mixer (SB Audio PCI 128D Mixer), setting the Record control to "All" captures and records the MIDI-triggered audio signal! (any signal actually... also a way to rip CDs to .wav) Holy sound card, Batman, I can finally do it! I confused numerous people in several threads trying to figure out such a stupid simple thing. Thanks, Tex!

I suppose this would work to record streaming audio as well. I'm not sure how to do it with the Windows mixer, but the SB mixer sounds so much better. And a cheeseball card to boot.
 
Be careful with the "What You Hear" setting, it's murder for overdubbing. When you record new stuff, you will also record the original stuff over again all mixed together with your new signal. Not good.

Better to just enable the device(s) you want for recording than use the "What U Hear" setting..
 
"What you hear" is great for lifting streaming audio. Especially RealAudio sound effects demos and stuff but you didnt hear it from me ;)
 
AlChuck said:
Be careful with the "What You Hear" setting, it's murder for overdubbing. When you record new stuff, you will also record the original stuff over again all mixed together with your new signal. Not good.

Better to just enable the device(s) you want for recording than use the "What U Hear" setting..
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Good advice. I wouldn't be doing multiple tracks while capturing the sudio signal however, so I won't have a problem with this sort of thing. Cheapo cards like SoundBlaster won't let you choose the synth channel to record off of--but it will record it if using the "All" record setting.
 
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