A Silly Little Thing....

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Ok, this is a very silly little song, that I wrote, recorded and mixed in less than 2 hours. I did it to harrass Nick The Man. It was born after reading a thread in the cave about nightmares, so the lyrics are just taken from that. That part is plain old silly, but what I am curious about, is the guitar tone. It is direct, as it was 12:30 or 1:00 when I did it. There is no real processing to the guitars, 2 of them, panned pretty hard L/R, and the bass is direct. My curiousity is, do they sound that bad? I've just been reading alot about direct guitars, and I know they aren't near the sound I want, but my amp blows, and I can never get the tone I want when I do mic it. (I suck, and my equipement isn't much better...)

So, the song is nothing spectacular, nor the playing. I have no intention of remixing, or redoing it. I am just curious about the guitar tone itself. Does it at least sound ok? Just a curiousity on my part....
Thanks.

Nightmare
 
The track is cool, very heavy.
I think the guitar could have been just a few notches louder, allthough the solo is quite loud.
The sound of guitar is great and Heavy.
The vox are very Lemmy. Allright!!!.

Nice playing allover.

thanks for sharing...
 
The sound is pretty good, Dogmna - I wouldn't worry about it. You might get a "bigger" sound if you record several tracks with different eq settings or amp models (and less distortion than you might think).

This song reminds me of early Ween - I love the first guitar solo break.

Classic. :)
 
Supercreep said:
The sound is pretty good, Dogmna - I wouldn't worry about it. You might get a "bigger" sound if you record several tracks with different eq settings or amp models (and less distortion than you might think).

This song reminds me of early Ween - I love the first guitar solo break.

Classic. :)
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Thanks guys. I just was wondering about stuff, as I know that a mic'd amp is great, but since my amp blows, and I can't seem to get a decent sound mic'd, I was just wondering. I've gotten some decent sounds from mic'ing this combo, but it takes more thime than a "joke" type of tune deserves. Lot's of eq work. When you mic an amp, does it take quite a bit of work to get the sound up to snuff? This tune is pretty much left alone, so the tone is what I captured. Very little work involved. 2 guitars, panned a bit apart, and left pretty much as is. I'd like a better tone, but realize it would require some work, and since this was done for fun, couldn't justify spending a lot of time on it.

As far as mic'ing, I have a 2X12 Carvin amp/Cabinet, and an SM58, or AT4040 to play with. I've used the 58, real close to the cab, next to the grill, and had decent results, but it seems to capture a bunch of highs. I then have to eq them out. Is this normal????
 
Damn. The Win Media player crapped out after a minute or so. I'm sure I've heard this one before. I liked it then and I like it now.

The guitar does not sound bad to me. Maybe like 'creep said, try (on another song in the future, I know you're not doing anything else to this one) layering the guits using some different sounds/eq.

Not sure why your getting highs with the 58. You have no 57? I wonder if it might have something to do with the difference in patterns of these two mics? That is the only real difference, I think. Not an expert.
 
Dogman said:
Thanks guys. I just was wondering about stuff, as I know that a mic'd amp is great, but since my amp blows, and I can't seem to get a decent sound mic'd, I was just wondering. I've gotten some decent sounds from mic'ing this combo, but it takes more thime than a "joke" type of tune deserves. Lot's of eq work. When you mic an amp, does it take quite a bit of work to get the sound up to snuff? This tune is pretty much left alone, so the tone is what I captured. Very little work involved. 2 guitars, panned a bit apart, and left pretty much as is. I'd like a better tone, but realize it would require some work, and since this was done for fun, couldn't justify spending a lot of time on it.

As far as mic'ing, I have a 2X12 Carvin amp/Cabinet, and an SM58, or AT4040 to play with. I've used the 58, real close to the cab, next to the grill, and had decent results, but it seems to capture a bunch of highs. I then have to eq them out. Is this normal????
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.....No. A 58 would sound a little woolier than a 57, and you should be able to get a decent sound with a 57. Does it sound good to you while your playing it? Or do you not like the sound of your Carvin amp and cabinet? Carvin makes really good amplifiers... Is it a tube head? A 2x12 carvin cab is a fine bit of kit. But if you think your amp sucks.... well... you can't eq out bad. :(


I use a PODxt and I like it. It would be tough for me to use it for everything, though.

-Casey
 
Incanus said:
Damn. The Win Media player crapped out after a minute or so. I'm sure I've heard this one before. I liked it then and I like it now.

The guitar does not sound bad to me. Maybe like 'creep said, try (on another song in the future, I know you're not doing anything else to this one) layering the guits using some different sounds/eq.

Not sure why your getting highs with the 58. You have no 57? I wonder if it might have something to do with the difference in patterns of these two mics? That is the only real difference, I think. Not an expert.
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Thanks, dude. This was done for fun, and as a joke, but I was just curious about what people want in a guitar sound. I like guitar sounds that I will never be able to re-create. I also play just for fun, adn was curious as to what other people do to get that good sound. I just got a DMP3, and will probably get a 57 soon, along with a new guitar, and bass. My stuff is quite old, adn works, but is extremely dated.

There is also no eq on this guitar, as I haven't really played with that, but am starting to. I really don't know what sound I want yet, so need to experiment. Any suggestions on that aspect will be used, and appreciated.... :D
 
Supercreep said:
.....No. A 58 would sound a little woolier than a 57, and you should be able to get a decent sound with a 57. Does it sound good to you while your playing it? Or do you not like the sound of your Carvin amp and cabinet? Carvin makes really good amplifiers... Is it a tube head? A 2x12 carvin cab is a fine bit of kit. But if you think your amp sucks.... well... you can't eq out bad. :(


I use a PODxt and I like it. It would be tough for me to use it for everything, though.

-Casey
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Casey, it sounds very good "live", but when recorded is quite high end heavy. In the room I'm in, a 12X12 room, even at low volume, the amp sounds awesome....lots of tone, and even the muted strings have a great feel.....when mic'd, it is thin, and I have tried some eq, and can make it better by taking down some of the highs. The natural sound rumbles the room, and sounds just like what I want, I've just been unable to translate this into a recorded guitar, as of yet. This song, with it's particular tone, is close, just has some stuff in it that seems fake. I guess that is the direct/amp modelng thing. Here is the same sound, mic'd, and I tried to eq it, but couldn't get it thick enough, without it sounding "fake".....
Die

Just listen to the main rythum.....the lead is Purge, not me... :D
 
Sounds pretty good to me. Theres lots of things you can do to experiment., just play around. I like to mix distortion with clean guitars, gets pretty full.

Dogman said:
I just got a DMP3, and will probably get a 57 soon, along with a new guitar, and bass.
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That may not be the best if your looking for a new sound. It'll sound pretty much the same as the 58. If you looking for a new mic, I'd say bring home 3 or 4 mics from the music store and try em all out for a week or two (depending on the stores return policy) and keep the one you want.
 
VSpaceBoy said:
Sounds pretty good to me. Theres lots of things you can do to experiment., just play around. I like to mix distortion with clean guitars, gets pretty full.


That may not be the best if your looking for a new sound. It'll sound pretty much the same as the 58. If you looking for a new mic, I'd say bring home 3 or 4 mics from the music store and try em all out for a week or two (depending on the stores return policy) and keep the one you want.
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Any suggestions? I have a 58, and an AT4040, and have been looking top get a 57, as they are cheap, but haven't decided yet. What do you have? Your bass tone was killer. How'd you get that? I may just need to work at my sound a bit more with what I have, so any suggestions would be great.
Ed

Oh, and the new bass/guitar thing is just because what I have is over 20 years old, and I really want a 7 string guitar, and a real bass......mine was under $200 when I bought it....an Applause... :o
 
Didn't listen to your other mp3 (I'm on dial up for chrissake!). I don't know all my mic names and numbers, but if you have any Large Diaphragm Condenser mic, try close micing with the 58(57) and getting a 'room' sound with the LDC, say like 4-5' from the cab. Then try blending the two sounds using the room mic as the main sound and the close mic for attack. Just an idea.

We did this (using Casey's Fender Hot rod deville amp and an SG) on 'What you were meant to Be' on the choruses. The two mic tracks were hard panned L/R and we added another Pod guit with chorus on it. It's not a heavy sound on that song, but you may be able to get a 'fuller' sound that way, at least.

Good luck and Rock on!!!!!!11!!!!!2!!!
 
Incanus said:
Didn't listen to your other mp3 (I'm on dial up for chrissake!). I don't know all my mic names and numbers, but if you have any Large Diaphragm Condenser mic, try close micing with the 58(57) and getting a 'room' sound with the LDC, say like 4-5' from the cab. Then try blending the two sounds using the room mic as the main sound and the close mic for attack. Just an idea.

We did this (using Casey's Fender Hot rod deville amp and an SG) on 'What you were meant to Be' on the choruses. The two mic tracks were hard panned L/R and we added another Pod guit with chorus on it. It's not a heavy sound on that song, but you may be able to get a 'fuller' sound that way, at least.

Good luck and Rock on!!!!!!11!!!!!2!!!
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Thanks, dude. I haven't tried this yet, but need too. I've read some posts about it, and it makes sense since drums are recorded sometimes with a close mic, and a room mic. I've got the 2 mic's, just need to learn how to use em.....Doh.....
 
Dogman said:
Thanks, dude. I haven't tried this yet, but need too. I've read some posts about it, and it makes sense since drums are recorded sometimes with a close mic, and a room mic. I've got the 2 mic's, just need to learn how to use em.....Doh.....
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Sweet dude!
Try it--or something, or anything. You are a rad guitar player. Lets hear that shit like you really want it to sound!
 
DOG, I have heard this one quite a few times. I downloaded it the first time you put it up! It is a cool song. The geetar kicks, and I really do like your vocals.
You still play what I hear in my head. :eek: :D
 
Thanks, true. I'm just trying to find a better tone, and this one sounds pretty good for a direct sound, now I would like something deep and thick like this, but want to try useing a mic. Everytime I try a mic, it needs tons of eq work, then I'm never happy with it. This track is just 2 guitars.
Ed
 
The rhythm guitars sound great, but the lead sounds very DI'd, there's that almost synth like sound on the high notes that gives it away, I get a very similar sound out of my POD.
 
Garry Sharp said:
The rhythm guitars sound great, but the lead sounds very DI'd, there's that almost synth like sound on the high notes that gives it away, I get a very similar sound out of my POD.
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Yeah, I haven't figured out what to do with lead sounds yet....both DI'd and even mic'd. Mine always sound good at first, then when I sit back and listen, seem so thin. I've tried some eq, but end up really just trashing them badly. Guess I have a bit to work on there..... :D
 
You could try, if you haven't, Boogex from www.voxengo.com. It's free, interesting amp/cab sim, there's a lot of EQ to play with. I used it for my lead tone on that track you all commented on a few days ago.
 
Garry Sharp said:
You could try, if you haven't, Boogex from www.voxengo.com. It's free, interesting amp/cab sim, there's a lot of EQ to play with. I used it for my lead tone on that track you all commented on a few days ago.
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Thanks, Garry. I have a few of the plugins, but not this one. I am getting it now, plus a few more I didn't get before. Do you just record a clean guitar sound, then run the plugin onto that, or do you record a dirty sound, and play with it that way?
Ed
 
Clean - Di'd through my Sansamp Bass Driver on passive, through an SPL Goldmike pre (which is really a mic only pre) into the PC.
 
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