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rockabilly1955
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pretty much finished a new song called "Cheat On Me, Cheat On You". Have a listen and critique please. (link in my signature) Peace!! 
Supercreep
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Interesting stuff. I like the bass.
A little noisy, and the guitars are a bit out of tune... But a well executed song nonetheless. Pretty smooth lead vocals, and I dig the background vox too.
A little noisy, and the guitars are a bit out of tune... But a well executed song nonetheless. Pretty smooth lead vocals, and I dig the background vox too.
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rockabilly1955
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thanks for the input. You know, i think its time i have my guitar checked professionally. That seems to be a problem with the tuning issues. And for this song, i had freshly tuned my guitar with a new Korg tuner 
By nosiy, what do you mean?? too airy??
By nosiy, what do you mean?? too airy??
DavidK
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Thats pretty unusual. I like it, it reminds me of John Cage. Do a google search on him.
The guitar is a bit out of tune, easily fixable. The weird part is the bass, I remember this from your last song:
The bass would be described as atonal if this was classical music ( I am a classical musician). In other words, it has no tonic or dominant. In real people words
, it has nothing to do with the rest of the song. Its in a different key altogether. It makes it VERY strange, which isnt always a bad thing. I just dont think it is what you want. The bass is a whole step down.
The girl has a very distinctive voice, it sounds like the real deal. Its a good song, it has a surreal quality. Again, google John Cage. On second thought, I will: John Cage
The guitar is a bit out of tune, easily fixable. The weird part is the bass, I remember this from your last song:
The bass would be described as atonal if this was classical music ( I am a classical musician). In other words, it has no tonic or dominant. In real people words
, it has nothing to do with the rest of the song. Its in a different key altogether. It makes it VERY strange, which isnt always a bad thing. I just dont think it is what you want. The bass is a whole step down.The girl has a very distinctive voice, it sounds like the real deal. Its a good song, it has a surreal quality. Again, google John Cage. On second thought, I will: John Cage
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rockabilly1955
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thanks again for the input. I don't really hear the bass being off in this one. On the last one i was able to hear what you were talking about. Maybe its still my newbie ears. I guess bass playing like this was the norm back in the day. Have a listen to the original sun records songs of johnny cash called hey porter and big river. Odd bass playing but works just right. Peace
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Greg_L
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Lol. Yeah everything is still out of tune. The bass sounds good, its just not in any relevant key. This isnt atonal music. A walking bass still needs to be in key. The vocals sound good, but theyre too loud. With everything else at a moderate volume, shes blowing my eardrums out. Good song though. Just keep practicing. 
DavidK
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rockabilly1955 said:
I had the pleasure of playing with Johnny Cash many times. Quite a guy
Listen to the last note of the song. The guitar is playing an E major chord. The bass is playing a D. The bass is playing most of the song in the key of D, but the song is in E. A few times in the middle he finds the right notes, but for 90% of the song he is playing in D.
Is this multitracked?? Can you take the bass out of this recording? If you can, I can show you what I am talking about. Better yet, just concentrate on the last note of the bass and the last note of the guitar. I would stake my reputation as a musician on this: no recording from Sun Records has the bass in a different Key.
The song is very catchy, the girl sounds very good. If you heard this song with a different bass part, I am sure you would immediately see it.
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rockabilly1955
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ok. I give up. I think imma just make songs about fat girls a la The Hot Carls. LOL! Hey david. . . It seems like you make a very good teacher on music theory which obviously i am still studying. But actually the song never uses an E chord. There is a capo on first fret though. As for the sun records stuff. . . Marshall grant never even touched a bass when he went in with cash to record there songs. Thats why he had to come up with that boom chicka boom slap sound and not playing any particular key per say. Luther, the guitarist never even played a chord on the early sun stuff. He only knew single note plucking. Cash was the only one that knew somewhat about music when they first started. Though he has admitted that the chord progression of i walk the line broke every music theory rule there is. Peace
DavidK
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Dont give up, you are close. If I didnt like the song I wouldnt waste my time. The best way is to show you.
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Click the link. I put in a bass line. The first two measures are your bassline then I come in with mine. Listen to the girl with the bass. THEN, listen to your version. If you cant hear the difference I cant help you. I THINK you will hear the difference. The song is in Eb major BTW. Just listen.........
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Click the link. I put in a bass line. The first two measures are your bassline then I come in with mine. Listen to the girl with the bass. THEN, listen to your version. If you cant hear the difference I cant help you. I THINK you will hear the difference. The song is in Eb major BTW. Just listen.........
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rockabilly1955
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thanks for the tip. Are u using an upright as well?? i know alot of classical type musicians like yourself dont tune in standard bass tuning. I do notice the difference in tone. Sounds good, though you (or whoever was playing) was off in a few spots can you make it as a download so i can show my bass player. I'm pretty sure upright bass theory is different than electric bass and guitar of course
can you make it as a download so i can show my bass player. I'm pretty sure upright bass theory is different than electric bass and guitar of course
DavidK
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rockabilly1955 said:
Its a synth. I did it whilst eating a sandwich in one hand, seriously.
See above, had sandwich in my hand
Done.
Theory is theory. Chords are chords. You can play Kazoo or Tuba, its all the same. The piece is in Eb, therefore the bass player has to play a lot of E flats, and when you switch chords it goes to Bflat.
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rockabilly1955
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Got it. Thanks. Imma try to look up see if i find any kind of diagram type thing for upright bass and the notes/scales. Its just kinda funny cuz the song doesnt use an E chord throughout the whole thing and yet its in the key of E
Nick98338
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Others have commented on the musicianship. I'll comment on the recording. First thing I noticed is that everything is in the "middle" of the stereo field. IMHO, everything is muddy because everything is in the same space. Unless you are trying for some specific feel in the recording, I recommend that you spread things out a bit. Move the instruments out to the side some, keep the vocal in the middle.
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rockabilly1955
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you are correct Nick. On this one, there is very slight panning on the electric and acoustic. Usually i do work the stereo field though. I think i read somewhere that most rhythm like drums, and bass is usually centered, so i gave it a try with rhythm electric guitar as well
***now that i looked at it, there is actually some moderate panning on electric to one side, acoustic to the other, background vocals are hard right and hard left, the snare is very slightly panned to one side and the bass very slightly panned to the other. Vocals are centered. But you might be right, the stereo field can probably be worked a bit more
***now that i looked at it, there is actually some moderate panning on electric to one side, acoustic to the other, background vocals are hard right and hard left, the snare is very slightly panned to one side and the bass very slightly panned to the other. Vocals are centered. But you might be right, the stereo field can probably be worked a bit more
Supercreep
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